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SWP expulsions and squabbles

tony collins said:
The guy uses his kids' names in emails that are sent to every single SWP member, anyone who has registered as a member, whether or not they have paid subs, at a time when everything they do is being leaked. If you're annoyed, I don't think it should be at me - I think you should be having a word with Charlie. The truth is, his kids' names aren't secret, it's not something he's ever hidden (the clue is in the fact that he uses them as the name of his *main email address*), so it didn't seem out of the ordinary. By answering the question about what the email meant, I wasn't targetting anyone, and I can't believe the paranoia in people who think I must've had some motive other than answering a question. life on the fucking far left messes your head up.

As for the stuff I've said about SU, c'mon, I've tried to be light-hearted cos I know Andy isn't popular round here. He's a fun target - me and the other SU people regularly throw eggs at his windows. Well, wouldn't you?

Listen, if people think I should edit out the post, I'll do it. But I kinda baulk at doing it after being called a "scumbag". Only my mother is allowed to call me that.

And I'm only *nearly* as fat as Andy Newman. I'm not him in disguise. Me: https://www.facebook.com/evilplan, embarrassing old SW articles and proof that no one really uses Google+

And anyway, isn't the real issue here that Charlie is still using AOL for his email?
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It irked because people seem to think they have a duty to reveal every last fact they know about anybody connected to the swp at the moment, no matter how irrelevant and/or confidential. Not suggesting you targetted them of course, just that everything and anyone seems to be fair game in this frenzy to publish and be damned.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
That's an interesting point. Although it's possible that it was printed by particularly brazen loyalists, with no sense of how they will be perceived.
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Don't really have an option though do they? Not as if they can all go and hide until this is sorted. It's the sort of leaflet they'd routinely publish in the past.
 
bolshiebhoy said:
Don't really have an option though do they? Not as if they can all go and hide until this is sorted. It's the sort of leaflet they'd routinely publish in the past.
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Jesus, mate, does the expression "pick your battles" mean nothing to people in the SWP?

There were dozens of motions at that conference. They seem to have picked the one to lead on by choosing the one that would involve the most skating over thin ice. By not keeping their cake holes shut, they handed liberals and bureaucrats a stick to beat them (and the rest of the left) with. I'm sure they were about as popular with other left activists as a violent case of the shits in a wetsuit.
 
redcogs said:
Don't forget that Scargill's non SWP membership affords him the status of an 'unadvanced' and theoretically weak person.. probably not worth 'no platforming'.

;)
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I know you're poking fun, but I can't help but pothint out that an SWP position on who they "no platform" is largely determined by how it could affect their own short term interests. It's boring, I know, so I'll add that the comrades would do well to remember that those outside the ranks of the SWP would be incapable of passing judgement of one as advanced as Cde Smith is. ;)
 
bolshiebhoy said:
It irked because people seem to think they have a duty to reveal every last fact they know about anybody connected to the swp at the moment, no matter how irrelevant and/or confidential. Not suggesting you targetted them of course, just that everything and anyone seems to be fair game in this frenzy to publish and be damned.
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God no, there's a mundane truth there - I just thought I'd stop any intrigue about whether there are a couple of gay lovers secretly running the SWP's finances.
 
I was told by an Irish SWP fulltimer that there is a critical motion down for their National Committee this weekend, demanding that they distance themselves from the stance of their English mothership. The top leadership are trying to keep things quiet but are, as always, backing the British CC.
 
The SWP Ireland Facebook photo collection is utterly shameful and opportunist. Artless isn't the word. Repugnant, more like. A picture of Ahmad Sami, a 17 year old high school student, killed in Port Said by 'live ammunition' we are told, and, as the 'Irish SWP comrades' announce, he was a member of the 'Revolutionary Socialists' as well. Alongside a photo of this young man before his death is a collection of utterly banal and meaningless photos of 'the comrades' on demos against this tax, that tax, this nasty tory, that nasty tory. And so Ahmad Sami is subsumed in the general noise of SWP crap. A general lack of disrespect, even for one of their own 'comrades' is bad enough, but the whole manner of presentation alone speaks volumes about the SWP worldview.

Utterly vile.

'Alex Reggae Bwoy' made a comment under the image of Ahmad Sami, which just about sums up the state of SWP groupthink. It reads: 'IT´S A SHAME... VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN! What utter utter morons. Seriously, who would want to associate with a 'party' like this?
 
Nigel Irritable said:
Jesus, mate, does the expression "pick your battles" mean nothing to people in the SWP?

There were dozens of motions at that conference. They seem to have picked the one to lead on by choosing the one that would involve the most skating over thin ice. By not keeping their cake holes shut, they handed liberals and bureaucrats a stick to beat them (and the rest of the left) with. I'm sure they were about as popular with other left activists as a violent case of the shits in a wetsuit.
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Probably so but why would you tweet about it then and make the stick bigger ;-)
 
Nigel Irritable said:
I was told by an Irish SWP fulltimer that there is a critical motion down for their National Committee this weekend, demanding that they distance themselves from the stance of their English mothership. The top leadership are trying to keep things quiet but are, as always, backing the British CC.
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'As always' isn't strictly true is it mate? I've been in the room and seen Cliff call Kieran a contra for disagreeing with the 'mothership' before. The Irish org has its own dynamic which is more complex than the stereotype you're painting here.
 
Sean Delaney said:
The SWP Ireland Facebook photo collection is utterly shameful and opportunist. Artless isn't the word. Repugnant, more like. A picture of Ahmad Sami, a 17 year old high school student, killed in Port Said by 'live ammunition' we are told, and, as the 'Irish SWP comrades' announce, he was a member of the 'Revolutionary Socialists' as well. Alongside a photo of this young man before his death is a collection of utterly banal and meaningless photos of 'the comrades' on demos against this tax, that tax, this nasty tory, that nasty tory. And so Ahmad Sami is subsumed in the general noise of SWP crap. A general lack of disrespect, even for one of their own 'comrades' is bad enough, but the whole manner of presentation alone speaks volumes about the SWP worldview.

Utterly vile.

'Alex Reggae Bwoy' made a comment under the image of Ahmad Sami, which just about sums up the state of SWP groupthink. It reads: 'IT´S A SHAME... VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN! What utter utter morons. Seriously, who would want to associate with a 'party' like this?
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Is that all you've got fella? Their photos document struggles on a timeline with local and international ones interspersed depending on when they happened.
 
bolshiebhoy said:
'As always' isn't strictly true is it mate? I've been in the room and seen Cliff call Kieran a contra for disagreeing with the 'mothership' before. The Irish org has its own dynamic which is more complex than the stereotype you're painting here.
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Let's be strictly accurate then. Once, three decades ago, Kieran Allen disagreed with the British CC about a war a very great distance away. This solitary "rebellion" has served as the sole evidence of his independence (and by extension the independence of the organisation he controls) over the thirty years since. In every dispute within the British SWP, or within the IST, Allen and his shifting cast of sidekicks have served as loyal camp followers of the British CC, even importing most of their get rich quick quick schemes. They are the least independent organisation in the IST, due to location, the regular stream of cadre who get sent over to help them out, and, Allen's supine posture.

I will eat my shoe if the Irish SWP passes their motion and takes a critical stance. I'll even let you pick the sauce. We both know that this wont happen.
 
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