SWP expulsions and squabbles

[sihhi]

Who would you expect, remembering who you are reading?

I didn't think they would actually parade individuals in a chart rundown Romania style:

 

[butchersapron]

This is just weird from John Molyneux on that blog:

http://histomatist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/john-molyneux-on-marxism-and-party.html



Rosa Luxemburg might have been killed because she wasn't in a proper party.

I assume John Molyneux pro-Delta and anti-Opposition.

A proper party like what John would have been in would not have been provoked over eichorn and so set the ground for a proper insurrection.

 

[sihhi]

Total insanity on the part of whoever is calling the shots on that. But imagine being the poor junior fulltimer who actually has to ring these people up.

Owen Jones said he got an email.

Inviting a liberal to the summer hangout - good internet.
Calling for a better investigation of rape - "the dark side of the Internet".

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I didn't think they would actually parade individuals in a chart rundown Romania style:

I don't think I've seen that particular version of the "History of Shaving" before. It's normally Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin-Mao, or sometimes Marx-Lenin-Mao.

 

[butchersapron]

Owen Jones said he got an email.

Inviting a liberal to the summer hangout - good internet.
Calling for a better investigation of rape - "the dark side of the Internet".

Tweeting michael roberts (and not doing the hard work your self) = the good side
Saying a damn thing in public about the party that you are a member of = dark side

This is just...rotting.

 

[Oisin123]

What were you doing at a Militant summer camp, by the way?

Testing my arguments in favour of state cap and a workers' republic against their best. Well, Joe Higgins wasn't there so it was mostly toe to toe with Peter Hadden. I also came across a really interesting hang up one of their 'historians' had. I don't know if you've ever encountered it. Someone in a talk asked why, if a planned economy is more progressive than an anarchic one (apologies to our anarchist friends, you know what I mean), did the ancient Chinese empire not advance more quickly than western feudalism? They got themselves tied up in knots over that.

 

[sihhi]

A proper party like what John would have been in would not have been provoked over eichorn and so set the ground for a proper insurrection.

Had Eichhorn been expelled as the SPD central government intended then the assault on the left would have started with a ultra-rightist police chief.

The revolution does not develop evenly of its own volition, in a clear field of battle, according to a cunning plan devised by clever “strategists.”

 

[butchersapron]

Had Eichhorn been expelled as the SPD central government intended then the assault on the left would have started with a ultra-rightist police chief.

I'm telling you their logic not mine. Mine would have had everything under eichorn's formal control occupied by fighters days before ...but for another thread....

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Testing my arguments in favour of state cap and a workers' republic against their best.

Did the SWP send you on your own? I remember they did that to someone a few years back, which struck me as a bit mean.

Someone in a talk asked why, if a planned economy is more progressive than an anarchic one (apologies to our anarchist friends, you know what I mean), did the ancient Chinese empire not advance more quickly than western feudalism?

The question contains a number of dubious suppositions, so I'm not surprised that anyone trying to answer it on its own terms would end up in knots.

 

[barney_pig]

I doubt if there'll be too much interest in a major split in what was, after all, merely the largest anarchoid grouping in France and thus not something of any great importance.

Also, I don't really have all the details. As I understand it though, it's mostly a split between the semi-functional mini-union bit of the CNT and the ideological anarchoids. More than half of the members have left to form the new CNT-Solidarite Ouvriere, which takes its place at the head of the massed ranks of CNTs (I believe they are up to four by now). There are accusations of financial shenanigans and theft flying around and members have apparently taking to swiping books off each others stalls.

This is post 3078 it isn't even by you, so how do you "deal with the current situation" in it?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

This is post 3078 it isn't even by you, so how do you "deal with the current situation" in it?

Wait, what?

 

[barney_pig]

Wait, what?

Sorry Nigel, the idiot that is resistance mp3 keeps claiming he dealt with the current situation in post 3078 so I had a look, and it was a post by you.

 

[Oisin123]

Did the SWP send you on your own? I remember they did that to someone a few years back, which struck me as a bit mean... The question contains a number of dubious suppositions, so I'm not surprised that anyone trying to answer it on its own terms would end up in knots.

I wasn't sent, I wanted to get a feel for the Irish Militant. A friend of mine came along and we mucked in with everyone else for the camp duties etc. It was fun, a bit like the old SWP Skegness. And while I did sometimes get crowds of males pushing me and shouting at me in scary northern accents, I was armed with the shield of righteousness. I agree about the question, by the way, it's not one I've ever thrown at SP members in the hope of scoring a victory for the theory of state capitalism.

 

[sihhi]

I'm telling you their logic not mine. Mine would have had everything under eichorn's formal control occupied by fighters days before ...but for another thread....

It's aimed at Molyneux's approach.

Tweeting michael roberts (and not doing the hard work your self) = the good side
Saying a damn thing in public about the party that you are a member of = dark side

This is just...rotting.

This I don't get - Michael Roberts is an economist, Callinicos is a political scientist and philosopher so of course he won't be doing Michael Roberts work.

 

[butchersapron]

It's aimed at Molyneux's approach.



This I don't get - Michael Roberts is an economist, Callinicos is a political scientist and philosopher so of course he won't be doing Michael Roberts work.

The good side is him getting to pretend that he knows what's going on, intimately.
The dark side is - lazy people like him can pretend that they do.

And this aura of course feeds baxck into his shockingly bad piece that we're talking about above - it comes from one who knows, so you can't challenge it - and the wider party reception of his writ.

 

[butchersapron]

It's aimed at Molyneux's approach. .

That might be an interesting thread though ...

 

[articul8]

How many original insights has the prof come out with over decades? At best one of resisters of postmodern current. But far from unique in that...

 

[sihhi]

I don't think I've seen that particular version of the "History of Shaving" before. It's normally Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin-Mao, or sometimes Marx-Lenin-Mao.

Apparently Germans are still keen on it today

 

[butchersapron]

How many original insights has the prof come out with over decades? At best one of resisters of postmodern current. But far from unique in that...

How many academics ever do. He's done very good work on the historical construction of social theory and more in history. Each of which throws his role into pathetic leftist strongman into ever deeper relief.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I wasn't sent, I wanted to get a feel for the Irish Militant.

Going away camping with half of them sounds like a fairly drastic way to do that! At least if one of our lot goes to Marxism (recently renamed but I can't remember to what) they aren't stuck in the middle of nowhere afterwards.

 

[sihhi]

The good side is him getting to pretend that he knows what's going on, intimately.
The dark side is - lazy people like him can pretend that they do.

And this aura of course feeds baxck into his shockingly bad piece that we're talking about above - it comes from one who knows, so you can't challenge it - and the wider party reception of his writ.

I see you - his endless tweeting of and every Financial Times article related to the Eurozone crisis.

Good internet also allows a bizarre form of unspoken 'get your graves as close as possible to Marx'.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=489889014&l=d2ea2e6bcd&id=640375117

 

[binka]

Decca Aitkenhead ( mentioned in that review) used to work behind the bar in the Red Lion in Withington, Manchester. Never ever voiced her opinion on anything with any punter but obviously feels free to do so now when no one can answer back.

i used to work in the white lion in withington and people were queuing up to hear what i had to say

 

[imposs1904]

I wasn't sent, I wanted to get a feel for the Irish Militant. A friend of mine came along and we mucked in with everyone else for the camp duties etc. It was fun, a bit like the old SWP Skegness. And while I did sometimes get crowds of males pushing me and shouting at me in scary northern accents, I was armed with the shield of righteousness. I agree about the question, by the way, it's not one I've ever thrown at SP members in the hope of scoring a victory for the theory of state capitalism.

I suddenly thought of this when I was reading your post:

 

[butchersapron]

I see you - his endless tweeting of and every Financial Times article related to the Eurozone crisis.

Good internet also allows a bizarre form of unspoken 'get your graves as close as possible to Marx'.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=489889014&l=d2ea2e6bcd&id=640375117

Ah, that's what people were going on about (Foot and Harman).

(How are the spaces allocated, anyone know?)

 

[butchersapron]

i used to work in the white lion in withington and people were queuing up to hear what i had to say

I heard that you were a tardy barman more interested in gassing than getting me a fucking pint.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I suddenly thought of this when I reading your post:

Nigel Irritable has a go at dotcommunist for his lack of seriousness as Frogwoman looks on.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

i used to work in the white lion in withington and people were queuing up to hear what i had to say

Probably trying to distract you from going into the kitchen to start the sunday roast.

 

[sihhi]

Ah, that's what people were going on about (Foot and Harman).

(How are the spaces allocated, anyone know?)

A body burial plot is very expensive http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/a-green-way-to-die/

Out of morbid curiosity, I recently enquired how much a burial spot in Highgate cemetery would cost me—the cheapest was a mere £4,500, whilst the more “elite” plot comes in at around £100,000.

An ashes and stone memorial like those in the picture is, I heard, several hundred. There was a big pre-announced collection after the celebration of Paul Foot's life for it.

Funds from the sale of the hour-long DVD will go towards erecting a permanent memorial in Highgate Cemetery in Swain’s Lane, where Mr Foot’s ashes are due to be interred next week in a plot near his political inspiration, Karl Marx.

http://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/011305/f011305_03.htm

 

[butchersapron]

A body burial plot is very expensive http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/a-green-way-to-die/



An ashes and stone memorial like those in the picture is, I heard, several hundred. There was a big pre-announced collection after the celebration of Paul Foot's life for it.


http://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/011305/f011305_03.htm

Cheers, surprised that a stone in that place only costs that.

 

[Oisin123]

Robert Brenner joins this list: http://openletterswp.wordpress.com/ it seems to be gathering momentum.