Sweden and coronavirus

[HalloweenJack]

Compare and contrast graphic.....

 

[cupid_stunt]

Compare and contrast graphic.....

Not a great comparison TBH as the UK (337k) has tested over twice those in Sweden (152k), based on tests per 1 million of the population, the more you look, the more cases you'll find. Also the graph doesn't seem to be adjusted for population sizes, the UK having around 10 times more people.

Have you got a point to make, by posting this?

 

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Dorit Nitzan, the WHO’s regional emergency director for Europe, said Sweden’s focus on sustainability over time, citizen engagement and voluntary compliance was interesting because “this is the time we all have to learn to live with this virus”.

But Nitzan stressed there was no “one size fits all” solution and every approach should be based on situation and context. If the WHO was keen to learn more from Sweden, it was because it saw the country as one that had “adapted its response to its people’s behaviour and background, and leveraged that to make it effective”.

Nitzan stressed that Sweden’s approach may not be applicable everywhere. Other countries should take into account that “in Sweden, the social contract between the government and its population is historically based on a very high level of trust”, she said. “That is the way the Swedish people and the government interact.”

Following the Swedish example, therefore, should not mean “adopting the exact same measures”, she said. “There are lessons to learn from every country. Nonehas done it perfectly; all have made mistakes.

“Each country’s strategy to curb Covid-19 should be based on its specific situation and context, and be both scientifically sound and culturally acceptable. This is Sweden’s approach.”

What lessons can Europe learn from Sweden's Covid-19 experience?

Experts say that while contested ‘light touch’ response should be studied, each country must find right approach for them

www.theguardian.com

Meanwhile I am still waiting for a good article about proposed new local lockdowns that Tegnell would apparently prefer to be done in 2-3 week lengths.

 

[elbows]

Also I think the fucking Sun have this week indulged in renewed lies about Sweden designed to serve the anti-lockdown shithead agenda, but I've only seen the headlines and am not intending to read the articles, let alone link to them here.

 

[elbows]

Which is funny considering that I feel one of the many factors that make a more nuanced response impossible in the UK is the poisonous side of our press. A poison that would have to be taken into account when "adapting our response" in the manner the WHO were talking about.

And I wont forget that 'lockdown fatigue' clearly set in with the press before it had taken much hold on the general population.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah one of the points made by a mate who lives there is that there's a high level of trust in the government even by people who didn't vote for them. The uk is a deeply divided society on the other hand with a government widely regarded as ridiculous at best and criminal at worst.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Possible local lockdowns coming in Sweden.

Covid-19 infections are picking up in lockdown-averse Sweden; where the case count has more than doubled over seven days, according to the latest data.

Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said earlier this week that he is now willing to recommend lockdown measures such as school closures, and strict limits to the size of gatherings - so long as they are only imposed locally and for three weeks at a time.

The Scandinavian country's Covid-19 death rate (581 per one million) is still less than that of the UK's (617 per 1m) and its current seven-day case count of 24 per 100,000 is well below the UK's rate of 56.

Interesting case count there, considering the UK was at that rate just over a week or so ago.

Sweden cases double in a week as UK restrictions mount

Covid-19 infections are picking up in lockdown-averse Sweden;

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[frogwoman]

Stockholms coronalarm: ”Vi måste trycka tillbaka det här”

Coronaläget i Stockholm skapar oro. Hälso- och sjukvårdsdirektör Björn Eriksson säger på en pressträff att det verkar som att stockholmarna börjat slappna av. –

www.aftonbladet.se

A Swedish woman I knew when I lived in Moldova just posted this. People in Stockholm have been advised to work from home and avoid contact with other households

 

[elbows]

The cunts havent stopped their imaginary Sweden deadly bullshit.

Sweden has destroyed the case for lockdown

Predictions of mass death never came to pass. It’s now clear we can manage the virus without extreme measures.

www.spiked-online.com

The Scandinavian coronavirus story really does suggest it is time to ease restrictions

What we've learned about Covid – disputed in Sweden but accepted in Denmark, Norway and Finland – makes the case for looser restrictions

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

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Actually that Telegraph article probably belongs in a different category but I am having trouble accessing the whole story. Anybody got an alternative link to it?

I should probably have picked on some recent examples from the Sun instead but I cant face linking to those.

 

[elbows]

On and on the dreary shit from the usual publications continues.

A dose of the old normal in mask-free Sweden

Sweden now offers the chance to do something truly special: travel back in time

www.telegraph.co.uk

Another vindication of Sweden

It is forecast to have a much shallower recession than countries that went into full lockdown.

www.spiked-online.com

Meanwhile on planet earth, I can read this sort of thing on the free pandemic page of the local, although I cannot access the full articles. All the same, the summaries probably tell us what we need to know.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200902/coronavirus-the-latest-news-about-the-outbreak-in-sweden-timeline-part-two

October 5th:

Sweden's measures to curb the spread of coronavirus will likely remain in place for "at least another year", with the possibility of additional local restrictions, the country's public health director said

Today:

Swedish health authorities have highlighted some regions that are seeing a clear rise in new coronavirus infections, including Stockholm, Uppsala, Skåne and Örebro.

The region of Uppsala temporarily postponed non-essential surgery on Tuesday at its main hospital (but planned care resumed today) and is considering imposing a restaurant curfew after a sharp rise in coronavirus cases. "It is possible that restaurants will be required to close at 11pm. But no one knows if that will stop the spread or if it will just lead to parties at home," wrote regional councillor Malin Sjöberg Högrell.

 

[frogwoman]

https://www.thelocal.se/20201007/swedish-city-considers-early-restaurant-closures-amid-very-worrying-rise-in-covid-19-cases

 

[frogwoman]

Hårda bakslaget för svensk idrott

Ministrarna Amanda Lind och Lena Hallengren kallade till presskonferens under torsdagen. Där kom beskedet att den förslagna 500-gränsen för sittande åskådare inte blir av. – Trenden går åt fel håll. Smittspridningen ökar, säger socialministern Lena Hallengren. Besvikelsen är stor i...

www.expressen.se

Bad news for Swedish sports fans, it was planned to increase the limit on audience sizes to 500 (!) But that has now been postponed.

 

[frogwoman]

Larmet inifrån vården: ”Fullt och överbelagt”

Utmattning, posttraumatiskt stressyndrom och covid-19. Efter sju tuffa månader med coronasmittan larmar vårdpersonalen om att de är slutkörda. Över 4 700 har skadats på jobbet. Hundratals slutar. Sjukfallen är fortfarande fler än normalt, visar Expressens kartläggning. – Det är tufft. Folk är...

www.expressen.se

I don't how reliable Google translate is but there is an article about Swedish healthcare workers worried about a second wave and protests over pay and conditions in the hospitals.

Sineva Ribeiro says that they receive signals from several parts of the country that nurses are resigning, including in Jönköping, Uppsala and Västerbotten.

In Region Jämtland Härjedalen, 140 nurses, for example in surgical and intensive care, have resigned. The reason is dissatisfaction with the work environment and deteriorating working hours.

- They have struggled with 12.5-hour shifts and an 80-hour work week during the spring and summer. There is a disappointment that the employer does not thank with salary and better working conditions.

 

[elbows]

I still cant read the full articles but a recent overview anyway:

October 8th:

Sweden has for the second time postponed plans to raise the limit on the number of people allowed at public events. The limit today is set at 50 (although this doesn't apply to private events like weddings or parties, nor to schools, workplaces or shopping centres) and the government had planned to raise this to 500 for certain seated events.

Swedish health authorities have warned of sharp rises in the rate of coronavirus infection, in some cases thought to be linked to sports teams or private gatherings and parties

October 9th:

A recent increase in Covid-19 infections in Sweden has resulted in Denmark's foreign ministry now advising against non-essential travel to 8 of the country's 21 regions.

Sweden's Public Health Agency has shared more details about the restrictions that could be brought in locally to limit the spread of the coronavirus, including caps on numbers of people allowed in shops. Here's the latest news.

And:

Sweden's minister for higher education warned students today to follow coronavirus guidelines after eight Swedish regions reported outbreaks linked to universities, especially unofficial student parties.

Yeah, they havent got a magic pandemic wand.

 

[frogwoman]

Sverige Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Grafer, kartor, diagram och statistik c19 platz.se

Se Coronavirus spridning på varje kommun och region i Ålder och Kön. Uppdateras löpande. Kartor, siffor, diagram och grafer över Coronavirus i hela Sverige. Sjukdomsfall Intensivvårdsavdelning Dödsfall Friska Sjukhus c19 platz.se

platz.se

This looks like a useful site elbows

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Almor]

Maybe only thirty people used pedestrian crossings that year?

 

[cybershot]

Sorry if already posted: ‘It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash

 

[frogwoman]

Sweden’s Anders Tegnell: We did not pursue “herd immunity” against Covid-19

The Swedish state epidemiologist defends his country’s handling of the virus and gives his verdict on the UK’s coronavirus response.

www.newstatesman.com

Both supporters and detractors have described Sweden’s strategy as one of “herd immunity”: allowing the majority of the population to contract Covid-19 in the hope of building resistance to it. But Tegnell insists that this is not the case. “That’s incorrect – in common with other countries we’re trying to slow down the spread as much as possible... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true.”

He warned that a genuine herd immunity strategy could be disastrous: “If you have Covid-19 spreading, so that 50-60 per cent of your society eventually have the disease, it can rapidly overwhelm your health service and possibly cause a number of deaths indefinitely and leave people with long-term consequences. If you can avoid that I would say that you definitely should.”

 

[frogwoman]

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

This doesn't look like a flat curve

 

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This doesn't look like a flat curve

The deaths curve is pretty flat.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

New intensive care cases are still flat as well. Not to say that the increased cases won't eventually translate into deaths, but it hasn't yet.

Experience

 

[Aladdin]

The deaths curve is pretty flat.

5930 deaths out of 108969 cases?
That is high. That's 5%

 

[littlebabyjesus]

5930 deaths out of 108969 cases?
That is high. That's 5%

Artifact of the testing regime. Sweden hasn't been testing as much as others. A few months ago, it would have been far higher than 5%.

 

[frogwoman]

The deaths curve is pretty flat.

I meant the cases curve. Sweden usually report both figures cumulatively I think

 

[Aladdin]

Artifact of the testing regime. Sweden hasn't been testing as much as others.

Well then their stats are untrustworthy

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well then their stats are untrustworthy

No more untrustworthy than anybody else's really. No country has identified more than a relatively small minority of cases.

 

[frogwoman]

Their testing more now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Artifact of the testing regime. Sweden hasn't been testing as much as others. A few months ago, it would have been far higher than 5%.

Yep, they've only tested 190k per 1m population, RoI has done 300k, and the UK is on 444k.