Should unemployed people be allowed to work? and still keep their benefits....

[tbaldwin]

Should unemployed people including people on IB be allowed to work for up to 2 days a week and still keep all their benefits?

I say yes. I think its mad that so many people on IB,JSA or now the ESA are too scared to work. Frightened to come off benefits.

The government in my view need to change the rules around people working and getting benefits.

 

[derf]

I'm in a country where people work or starve.
They work not moan on about who owes them a living.

 

[badco]

I say yes

Why?

I say no.It sorta undermines those who are unfortunate to have to work 40 hours a week on minimum wage and not get the same benefits as somebody working 16 i.e housing benefits and the rest

I assume you don't mean single mums etc as you said JSA?

 

[audiotech]

I'm in a country where people work or starve.
They work not moan on about who owes them a living.

You're right, there probably too busy organising an uprising and laying down a few arms caches for future use. I'd watch my back if I were you.

 

[Zachor]

Yes I'm all for a system that aids those who want to work but penalises those who CHOOSE not to.

Letting the unemployed keep two days wages per week would aid the transition into useful work.
May also divert some from crime if there is a legitimate way of earning extra dosh.

The transition into work from benefits must be more graduated the current system just encourages idleness.

 

[ethel]

afaik if you work up to 16 hours a week you can normally get some JSA.

edit: just checked. if i was working 15 hours a week at minimum wage, i'd get the vast majority of my CT paid and i'd get housing benefit.

 

[badco]

afaik if you work up to 16 hours a week you can normally get some JSA.

Yes you can

Maybe not on IB,I think that could be classed as fraud

 

[Zachor]

Why?

I say no.It sorta undermines those who are unfortunate to have to work 40 hours a week on minimum wage and not get the same benefits as somebody working 16 i.e housing benefits and the rest

I assume you don't mean single mums etc as you said JSA?

I see where you are coming from and I'm angry at a system where those who struggle get fuck all whilst those who sit on their arses get help.

However, allowing people go keep the extra money is rewarding effort not non effort which is the current situation.

I also read this as JSA btw.

 

[badco]

I see where you are coming from and I'm angry at a system where those who struggle get fuck all whilst those who sit on their arses get help.

However, allowing people go keep the extra money is rewarding effort not non effort which is the current situation.

I also read this as JSA btw.

You see,if jobseekers can do 16 hours a week then surely there not such knuckledragging fucknuts that they can't get a full time job

And if there on JSA then there's no reason why they can't be working full time.Ya know,no kids to look after,obviouslly not a carer for a sick relative or friend

 

[audiotech]

20,000 people lost their jobs last week and here's a scab, along with a fool, who was recently sacked for putting people lives at risk at his workplace, focusing on a Daily Mail stereotype.

Unfuckingbelievable!

 

[newme]

You see,if jobseekers can do 16 hours a week then surely there not such knuckledragging fucknuts that they can't get a full time job

And if there on JSA then there's no reason why they can't be working full time.Ya know,no kids to look after,obviouslly not a carer for a sick relative or friend

Especially round here theres a plethora of 15 or so hour a week jobs, great Id imagine if you are on JSA, tho doesnt any cash you earn just come out of your allowance? Or were they telling me porkies the other year, maybe its changed.

Either way, problem with those jobs is they aren't actually feasible to actually live on, end up being better off doing shit all and claiming.

 

[badco]

20,000 people lost their jobs last week and here's a scab, along with a fool, who was recently sacked for putting people lives at risk at his workplace, focusing on a Daily Mail stereotype.

Unfuckingbelievable!

How is it a stereotype?I suggest that the majority on benefits who fiddle by working the bare minimum to keep there benefits earned that stereotype

I read the sun not the mail

 

[badco]

Especially round here theres a plethora of 15 or so hour a week jobs, great Id imagine if you are on JSA, tho doesnt any cash you earn just come out of your allowance? Or were they telling me porkies the other year, maybe its changed.

Either way, problem with those jobs is they aren't actually feasible to actually live on, end up being better off doing shit all and claiming.

I haven't claimed in a long time but afaik you can have 16 hours or earn something like 80 quidders before it's deducted

 

[newme]

Well that takes the fuckin piss, for a few months I was on £80 a week since the number of full time jobs down here is well, shit. And I wasnt claiming anything.

 

[_angel_]

I haven't claimed in a long time but afaik you can have 16 hours or earn something like 80 quidders before it's deducted

I can only earn a tenner before it's deducted.

 

[derf]

People in the UK need to be reminded what life really is.
After loosing my job twice in three years when companies closed down I made up my mind to work for myself.
I told the silly bastards in the dole office to take a running jump and started my own job.
I earned fuck all for ages but worked like a twat silly hours a week until it fucking well did work.

I was pissed off at being at the mercy of someone else and no way was I going to fuck about with dole rules and the bleeding daft queations they asked. Never mind the fucking silly answers they wanted.
They asked me what job I would do. I replyed anything to get me off the dole. I'll clean bogs sooner than be in this office scrounging.
Daft bastards would only accept answers relating to previous work that I had done so I fucked the silly cunts off and told them to keep the cash.

Don't expect someone to come along and wipe your arse after you shit but get the bog roll out yourself and go for it.

 

[_angel_]

So you actually did claim benefit, or tried to -- or you just ran into the office to shout at them all to fuck off.

 

[newme]

People in the UK need to be reminded what life really is.
After loosing my job twice in three years when companies closed down I made up my mind to work for myself.
I told the silly bastards in the dole office to take a running jump and started my own job.
I earned fuck all for ages but worked like a twat silly hours a week until it fucking well did work.

I was pissed off at being at the mercy of someone else and no way was I going to fuck about with dole rules and the bleeding daft queations they asked. Never mind the fucking silly answers they wanted.
They asked me what job I would do. I replyed anything to get me off the dole. I'll clean bogs sooner than be in this office scrounging.
Daft bastards would only accept answers relating to previous work that I had done so I fucked the silly cunts off and told them to keep the cash.

Don't expect someone to come along and wipe your arse after you shit but get the bog roll out yourself and go for it.

Do you read the mail?

 

[newme]

So you actually did claim benefit, or tried to -- or you just ran into the office to shout at them all to fuck off.

Sounds like theyve just collected a load of stereotypes and thrown em together in one sound-byte.

 

[audiotech]

How is it a stereotype?I suggest that the majority on benefits who fiddle by working the bare minimum to keep there benefits earned that stereotype

I read the sun not the mail

It shows, as it's obvious you can't string a sentence together that makes any sense.

 

[audiotech]

Don't expect someone to come along and wipe your arse after you shit but get the bog roll out yourself and go for it.

The next poet laureate.

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Maybe not on IB,I think that could be classed as fraud

actually you can do some work and still get IB.



''You can work:

for earnings of up to and including £20.00 a week for an unlimited period, or
for less than 16 hours a week, on average, with earnings up to and including £92.00 a week for a 52 week period
for less than 16 hours a week, on average, and earn up to and including £92.00 a week for as long as your illness or disability is considered sufficiently severe that you are treated as meeting the threshold of incapacity without undergoing a medical assessment ''

 

[derf]

So you actually did claim benefit, or tried to -- or you just ran into the office to shout at them all to fuck off.

I had worked and paid taxes for years without claiming a bean.
I only asked for what I had worked for but no way could I put up with that bunch of silly fuckers pushing pens around refusing to accept that I would do anything rather than claim.

What I did was tell them to stick their forms where the sun don't shine and bloody well sorted myself out.

Fuck the silly bastards to hell and fuck the lazy cunts claiming when they should be trying to earn a living for themselves.

 

[In Bloom]

I haven't claimed in a long time but afaik you can have 16 hours or earn something like 80 quidders before it's deducted

Nope. If you work less than 16 hours, you can still claim JSA, but anything after the first £10 you earn will be deducted from your JSA. If your earnings are more than £10 over the normal ammount of JSA for your situation and you claim housing benefit, it will be deducted from that as well.

You also get a shit load more hassle and a nice pile of forms to fill out every two weeks.

 

[nightbreed]

I'm in a country where people work or starve.
They work not moan on about who owes them a living.

In the last 35 years I have been working I have never heard a claimant say they are 'owed a living'.

What a load of neo liberal crap!!

 

[nightbreed]

Fuck the silly bastards to hell and fuck the lazy cunts claiming when they should be trying to earn a living for themselves.

The daft logic of capitalism speaks!!

 

[Bakunin]

I had worked and paid taxes for years without claiming a bean.
I only asked for what I had worked for but no way could I put up with that bunch of silly fuckers pushing pens around refusing to accept that I would do anything rather than claim.

What I did was tell them to stick their forms where the sun don't shine and bloody well sorted myself out.

Fuck the silly bastards to hell and fuck the lazy cunts claiming when they should be trying to earn a living for themselves.

You really are an ignorant and selfish character, aren't you? You don't seem to have the first idea about the realities facing welfare claimants in the UK at all.

Did it ever occur to you that some of us, the long-term sick and disabled for example, actually can't work, so need to claim or starve? Personally, I have several chronic illnesses, both physical and mental, and the physical symptoms make it next to impossible for me to hold a regular job while the stigma still associated with mental health issues means that nobody is likely to employ me on those grounds as well. Discrimination might be outlawed but it's still practiced here in the UK, it's just swept under the carpet and not acknowledged by a lot of people.

I only claim what I'm entitled to under the law. I don't work and claim. I don't 'do the double' and collect cash in hand while scrounging off the social and neither do the vast majority of sick and disabled people in the UK, at least not the many, many of them that I've met and been around.

It's not nice being treated like a second class citizen because you don't have and can't get a job. It's not nice being looked down on when you're seen to be collecting benefits at the post office every fortnight. It's not nice being treated like shit because I can't work and, on top of that, have a mental health issue as well. I'm not just treated like a second class citizen in my own country, I'm more of a third class citizen, part of the underclass. And the attitudes of people like you, coming as you claim from from a background of never having claimed a penny, with all your ignorance and prejudice, only make a hard life even harder.

And another thing. If, as you seem to be claiming, you haven't spent much if any time as a welfare claimant, you haven't walked in my shoes. SO you have no real experience of the day to day realities of life as someone dependent on the State in order to survive. If you haven't walked in my shoes then you have no right to be passing judgement or calling people 'lazy cunts claiming when they should be trying to earn a living for themselves' when that has little or no basis in reality.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Should unemployed people including people on IB be allowed to work for up to 2 days a week and still keep all their benefits?

I say yes. I think its mad that so many people on IB,JSA or now the ESA are too scared to work. Frightened to come off benefits.

The government in my view need to change the rules around people working and getting benefits.

A big part of the blame for the "can't afford to work" problem lies with the DWP themselves, and the stupid system of halting rather than suspending claims if someone gets some casual work.
Who is going to bother signing off and then signing on again for a day or two's work when their claim could take a week or more to process each time?

 

[_angel_]

You really are an ignorant and selfish character, aren't you? You don't seem to have the first idea about the realities facing welfare claimants in the UK at all.

Did it ever occur to you that some of us, the long-term sick and disabled for example, actually can't work, so need to claim or starve? Personally, I have several chronic illnesses, both physical and mental, and the physical symptoms make it next to impossible for me to hold a regular job while the stigma still associated with mental health issues means that nobody is likely to employ me on those grounds as well. Discrimination might be outlawed but it's still practiced here in the UK, it's just swept under the carpet and not acknowledged by a lot of people.

I only claim what I'm entitled to under the law. I don't work and claim. I don't 'do the double' and collect cash in hand while scrounging off the social and neither do the vast majority of sick and disabled people in the UK, at least not the many, many of them that I've met and been around.

It's not nice being treated like a second class citizen because you don't have and can't get a job. It's not nice being looked down on when you're seen to be collecting benefits at the post office every fortnight. It's not nice being treated like shit because I can't work and, on top of that, have a mental health issue as well. I'm not just treated like a second class citizen in my own country, I'm more of a third class citizen, part of the underclass. And the attitudes of people like you, coming as you claim from from a background of never having claimed a penny, with all your ignorance and prejudice, only make a hard life even harder.

And another thing. If, as you seem to be claiming, you haven't spent much if any time as a welfare claimant, you haven't walked in my shoes. SO you have no real experience of the day to day realities of life as someone dependent on the State in order to survive. If you haven't walked in my shoes then you have no right to be passing judgement or calling people 'lazy cunts claiming when they should be trying to earn a living for themselves' when that has little or no basis in reality.

I wouldn't bother. He's a profoundly ignorant person who thinks it's superior morally to live in a poor country where he can hire cheap child labour ... is superior to people being forced to use a system that they've actually paid into.

 

[phildwyer]

the stupid system

Except it's not stupid, is it? It's doing exactly what it's designed to: redistribute the absolute minimum of wealth possible without causing people to actually starve in the streets. Do you expect generosity of capitalists?