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Should men describe themselves as feminists, if they are supportive of feminism?

I'm not really interested in a feminism that isn't marxist
thats about it really. I've often been called a feminist when arguing with people and my reaction is very much 'no, hold on, I'm a communist. Equality between the sexes is part and parcel, or else its not my communism'

That is not to say 'oh hold up, lets just ignore feminism and concentrate on the class war' though. Not at all. Where we are now mandates a robust challenging of the structural inequality that falls heavier on women. Thats from getting rights for streetworkers to developing critiques and opposing gamergate wankers. From the cultural to the sharp end. I don't think mentioning the class war in any way takes power from the drive of women under capital. I know there is the old history of labour party chauvanism rooted in the attitudes of the time, but fuck the labour party anyway
 
Nancy_Winks you may find Selma James interesting. Caleb posted this interview a while back which will give you a taste:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jun/08/life-in-writing-selma-james

And butchers linked to this radio interview: http://www.againstthegrain.org/program/546/id/142126/wed-4-04-12-selma-james-class-and-gender.

I think butchersapron may have put her books online too?
Ta. Bugger can't download it onto my phone and don't have a computer

Eta: ooh it's worked!
 
Should men describe themselves as feminists, if they are supportive of feminism?

Its the only way you can get a shag with students these days

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Nancy_Winks you may find Selma James interesting. Caleb posted this interview a while back which will give you a taste:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jun/08/life-in-writing-selma-james

And butchers linked to this radio interview: http://www.againstthegrain.org/program/546/id/142126/wed-4-04-12-selma-james-class-and-gender.

I think butchersapron may have put her books online too?
Key one for this tradition i think is The Power of Women and the Subversion of the Community which was reprinted in english with some Selma James stuff (by the once mighty falling wall press from bristol in the early 70s) I put this one on line a decade back because i've yet to find a clearer expression of the ideas. The Selma James part is reproduced in this recently published collection of hers ('A woman's place') Sex, Race, and Class The Perspective of Winning. A Selection of Writings, 1952-2011 (incidentally, published by the people who do that excellent ATG interview you link to, which is itself a great starting point).
 
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Key one for this tradition i think is The Power of Women and the Subversion of the Community which was reprinted in english with some Selma James stuff (by the once might falling wall press from bristol in the early 70s) I put this one on line a decade back because i've yet to find a clearer expression of the ideas. The Selma James part is reproduced in this recently published collection of hers ('A woman's place') Sex, Race, and Class The Perspective of Winning. A Selection of Writings, 1952-2011 (incidentally, published by the people who do that excellent ATG interview you link to, which is itself a great starting point).
Very interesting interview there.

Can one simplify feminism? No rape, no sexual assault, no violent assault plus equal pay/working conditions/access to education.

Does that work? I like that line when I'm pushing it onto right wing people. What have I missed?
 
One problem they had in the USSR is that while women we're allowed in to the workforce the culture didn't change that much and they were usually still expected to do all the housework etc.

Social dynamics in the DDR meant that the menfolk tended to be more involved in the home, not least because given the labour shortages, it didn't do to piss half your potential workforce off. Likewise the DDR's mass childcare programme was an instrumental act as far as the state was concerned - it removed a reason for a parent to stay outside of the workforce for more than (IIRC) 18 months.
 
Key one for this tradition i think is The Power of Women and the Subversion of the Community which was reprinted in english with some Selma James stuff (by the once might falling wall press from bristol in the early 70s) I put this one on line a decade back because i've yet to find a clearer expression of the ideas. The Selma James part is reproduced in this recently published collection of hers ('A woman's place') Sex, Race, and Class The Perspective of Winning. A Selection of Writings, 1952-2011 (incidentally, published by the people who do that excellent ATG interview you link to, which is itself a great starting point).
Ah no way I remember Crossroads when it was in Kings X
 
Haha that entire radio program is fucking outrageous. It's brilliant! The idea that people are exploited by employment (that say if you earn £100 but you earn for your employer say £300 a day). The idea of cutting the working week by half, then reducing it more. The idea that there's no freedom in going out work (except the freedom/interest of not being alone working unwaged in the house). The idea that you pay housewives (from the military budget :D). There's so much there dammit.

And all of those things have a million questions associated (like if you don't have employers, then who do you work for or how does work get done? or what is work anyway? and how would it be worked what is and isn't necessary?). But anyway not to deal with that all at once...

Yeah I understand and identify with the idea of housework being unwaged but actually your still working for the business. Of course I do. I raised our sons for YEARS unwaged (also working in the evenings/nights ftr) so my husband could build his business and build it he did, and when he walked out he took all the business (and most of the money) with him. He couldn't have done it without me (caring for the kids and him and going out there working myself when we had insufficient money to get by). I felt that business was part mine, but of course it wasn't in the end.

And I totally agree with her when she says women bear the brunt of economic hardship, are the ones not to eat first (oh yes how familiar), are the ones who have to step up when social services are cut. And it's kind of a good idea to pay wages for reproductive work/caring work/house work because it means that cannot happen. You force a value on it.

Now I don't have a clue how much that stuff would cost or if those books would ever balance or if that's all just pie in the sky. And it worries me the size of the state (and the power you'd have to give the state) to administrate it. But yeah, it's an interesting idea.
 
Which is why many donations to food banks include sanitary products to help those that can't otherwise afford such products. They're not cheap and it's often the case that more than one type of sanitary protection is used, escalating the costs.

Did you know sanitary protection has vat applied, as it deemed a non essential by hmrc?

What's this article got to do with the thread topic, by the way?
 
One of the reasons it appeals to me is that it fucking sucks having to go out to work and leave your very younguns at nursery. I still have cold sweats at those separations when you walked away with them bawling and your heart breaking, telling yourself 'it's fine everyone does it, they'll be ok in 10 mins etc' (but feeling deep inside it's bollocks).

First nursery I ever used I lasted a week. On the last day I went to collect (rush rush traffic get the FUCK out my way my baby needs me I'm coming!) and I picked up our Bill (he was a year) and he could bearly open his eyes he'd been crying all day. I walked out and never returned. (Edit to add some context: i was prepared to lose my job over never setting foot in that nursery again, and we needed me to have that job).

Got an older woman who was childminding but who I knew from the toy library to take them both from the following week, and god bless her she was amazing (for us all tbf) and never looked back.

But if you could have paid me to stay at home then? Yes. If there could have been a wage for staying at home so I wasn't completely, pathetically dependent on my husband and my gratitude to him for providing? Yes.
 
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