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[EastEnder]

Nice response. State something. Get corrected. Insist you're right. Get proved you're wrong. Call the person a pedant.

Welcome to urban75!

 

[Athos]

The police carry both sub-machine guns converted to semi-automatic only...

If they're not capable of automatic fire, they they can't really be described as sub-machine guns. They're carbines.

 

[kebabking]

The MP5 - the 9mm semi-automatic carbine that caused such excitement when it first fell into police hands in the early 1980's - is on its way out.

Not powerful enough - when it came out the idea was to use low powered ammunition that wouldn't ricochet off everything for days on end killing civpop who were unlucky enough to be around, however the world moves on, and the 9mm is crap at penetrating body armour and cars. Most Police forces use military rifles these days - the German G36 rifle being quite popular...

 

[Athos]

The MP5 - the 9mm semi-automatic carbine that caused such excitement when it first fell into police hands in the early 1980's - is on its way out.

Not powerful enough - when it came out the idea was to use low powered ammunition that wouldn't ricochet off everything for days on end killing civpop who were unlucky enough to be around, however the world moves on, and the 9mm is crap at penetrating body armour and cars. Most Police forces use military rifles these days - the German G36 rifle being quite popular...

Home Office police forces use a semi-automatic variant of it, though.

 

[Kaka Tim]

yeh i know it's an m60. it is a machine gun none the less.

but here's a good auld british machine gun, if it makes you feel any better

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The relaxed posture, the sand and water butt suggest less a machine gun but rather some 1930s seaside tea-making machine. I swear there's a large picnic hamper just out of view.

 

[bi0boy]

A sub-machine gun is a type of machine gun according to most dictionaries and the ATF

 

[LDC]

GUN WANKERS.

 

[DotCommunist]

Well, she quite obviously pulled it out of her arse. And this idiot was an MP!

a crap one who was never in her constituency and bailed triggering a bye-election so she could move to americaland where right wing bile with an english posh accent gets treated as sage wisdom

 

[YouSir]

If it's not black powder it's for pussies. I'd even be for the police being armed if they were obliged to carry muskets. And possibly dress like Sharpe's Chosen Men. Only not as well, obviously, because they're police and don't deserve it.

 

[Athos]

A sub-machine gun is a type of machine gun according to most dictionaries and the ATF

But UK Home Office police forces don't have sub-machine guns (or Aby other machine guns).

 

[DotCommunist]

If it's not black powder it's for pussies. I'd even be for the police being armed if they were obliged to carry muskets. And possibly dress like Sharpe's Chosen Men. Only not as well, obviously, because they're police and don't deserve it.

Chosen Men had rifles.

 

[bi0boy]

But UK Home Office police forces don't have sub-machine guns (or Aby other machine guns).

I don't care

 

[Kaka Tim]

whats wrong with you all? Did nobody watch The Sweeny? The correct term is "shooters"

 

[Athos]

I don't care

You cared enough to post on the subject.

 

[likesfish]

The MP5 - the 9mm semi-automatic carbine that caused such excitement when it first fell into police hands in the early 1980's - is on its way out.

Not powerful enough - when it came out the idea was to use low powered ammunition that wouldn't ricochet off everything for days on end killing civpop who were unlucky enough to be around, however the world moves on, and the 9mm is crap at penetrating body armour and cars. Most Police forces use military rifles these days - the German G36 rifle being quite popular...

which they are now trying to replace as allegedly doesnt do so well in extended gun battles.
even though the uk polices last extended gun battle was 1911.
Sussex police has silenced submachine guns the snubby mp5k that can be worn in a shoulder holster for covert wear if you want to look like somebody carrying a sub machine gun in a shoulder holster.

Copper who showed us the armoury wasn't actually sure why they had half the kit best bets either HK did them a really good deal the sales woman had a really short skirt on.
or the home office gave them a large grant told them to go by HK kit and hk filled the shopping basket.

 

[YouSir]

Chosen Men had rifles.

And Mr. Knock. Another reason why musket wielding police shouldn't be allowed uniforms quite as nice.

 

[bi0boy]

You cared enough to post on the subject.

I didn't post on the subject. What are you on about?

 

[SpookyFrank]

managed to shit up an episode of doctor who- fuck him

Two episodes.

 

[Wilf]

"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from cold dead urban login"

 

[Spymaster]

Amazes me how they get them past security at Heathrow.

I'm airside at Stanstead now. There were a few armed OB in baseball caps before security but none over here

 

[likesfish]

The relaxed posture, the sand and water butt suggest less a machine gun but rather some 1930s seaside tea-making machine. I swear there's a large picnic hamper just out of view.

you can make tea with a vickers gun as its water cooled I imagine its fairly foul being flavored with asbestos and gun oil but as one veteran said to somebody who thought that was a myth you werent in the tenches were you?

 

[Athos]

I didn't post on the subject. What are you on about?

A sub-machine gun is a type of machine gun according to most dictionaries and the ATF

 

[LDC]

Can we move on from the weapons fetish now and get back to the subject? Apologies for my part in the boring derail.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The police carry both sub-machine guns converted to semi-automatic only

Technically, not a conversion but a variant (MP5SFA2)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm airside at Stanstead now. There were a few armed OB in baseball caps before security but none over here

Stansted security doing their job, unlike the slackers over at Heathrow.

 

[brogdale]

The police carry both sub-machine guns converted to semi-automatic only and also larger caliber weapons that also fire the same - I guess assault rifles in common parlance. Both look like machine guns to teqniq.

*Warning Daily Mail link ahead!*
Mail helpfully labelled some of the kit deployed (though they appear to have missed '10').

 

[LDC]

Technically, not a conversion but a variant (MP5SFA2)

Well done, first prize in the geeky weapon pedants award for 2017. Last post on this shit derail, honestly...

 

[YouSir]

"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from cold dead urban login"

As the Anarchist edge fades from these forums should we just start talking unceasingly about guns? See if we can get ourselves back on those government watch lists.

 

[Kaka Tim]

you can make tea with a vickers gun as its water cooled I imagine its fairly foul being flavored with asbestos and gun oil but as one veteran said to somebody who thought that was a myth you werent in the tenches were you?

Probably better than the stuff that comes out of those machines at service stations.
My dad was in the army in kenya (just after the war) and he says they had to make tea with hot water from the truck radiator.

 

[YouSir]

*Warning Daily Mail link ahead!*
Mail helpfully labelled some of the kit deployed (though they appear to have missed '10').

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Fucking Air Soft has gotten way out of hand.