littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes and no. We mustn't exclude the lazy/disheartened socialists here.
Selling Out: Where is the line crossed?
- Thread starter chilango
- Start date
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
My father's red lines:
Buy our council house.
Supervise any fellow worker outside a democratically controlled workplace.
Own a car (excessively individualistic, undermines the case for public transport)
Private healthcare (a theoretical objection as he could barely afford new bootlaces never mind botox)
Private education (compensated for this by making me and my sister do about 6 hours of homework every night)
Never buy anything on credit or have a bank account. (There was also some doctrinal issue with insurance but my mother nagged him into submission on that.)
Never went in a bookies, and very rarely into a pub as he thought gambling and alcohol attenuated class militancy.
He would, however, cross picket lines of unions that he suspected of ideological deviancy. Whichever union represented the workshy arseholes in the local branch library was in this category.
Buy our council house.
Supervise any fellow worker outside a democratically controlled workplace.
Own a car (excessively individualistic, undermines the case for public transport)
Private healthcare (a theoretical objection as he could barely afford new bootlaces never mind botox)
Private education (compensated for this by making me and my sister do about 6 hours of homework every night)
Never buy anything on credit or have a bank account. (There was also some doctrinal issue with insurance but my mother nagged him into submission on that.)
Never went in a bookies, and very rarely into a pub as he thought gambling and alcohol attenuated class militancy.
He would, however, cross picket lines of unions that he suspected of ideological deviancy. Whichever union represented the workshy arseholes in the local branch library was in this category.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
Steiner
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
No wonder you're a rabid Thatcherite.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
colonel kurt steiner?
or the loony out of the ordo templi orientis who then founded anthrosophy?
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
This guy I shagged a few times, his kids went to a Steiner school in Hebden bridge. Parent run, not for profit, no curriculum, fees adjusted according to ability to pay (altho never free iirc cos well someone has to pay).colonel kurt steiner?
or the loony out of the ordo templi orientis who then founded anthrosophy?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's along the organizational lines i was thinking of but i've seen the library of one of these steiner schools and they had books about atlantis and lemuria in the history section.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
No wonder socialists have low numbers. Imagine joining a group where you are judged on that extensive list!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There have been moves to provide Steiner schools by the state.
Lots to admire in Steiner schools, but lots of bonkers ideology, too. The man himself was a racist mystic with extremely odd, and occasionally utterly vile, ideas.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
Oh they're bonkersthat's along the organizational lines i was thinking of but i've seen the library of one of these steiner schools and they had books about atlantis and lemuria in the history section.
On the other hand I'm a supporter of free schools like you suggest. Not keen on state control of everything.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
"free schools" are not really "free", though. They just report directly to central government rather than local leas. The current 'free schools' are in fact an example of centralisation and the subversion of local control by central power.Oh they're bonkers
On the other hand I'm a supporter of free schools like you suggest. Not keen on state control of everything.
I have £32 a week taken out of my incapacity benefit for bedroom tax with no hope of downsizing....and facing losing my ESA on my next assessment, so yep, looking eviction in the face - I would say that felt like a reasonable definition of being fucked.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, they're not cheap. There are state steiners in irrc Sweden, and I know they were looking into making Steiner state 'free schools'. Don't know how far they got.
If you read Rudolph Steiner, you will find some quite extraordinary cobblers, but that said, I'd have preferred to go to a steiner school any day over conventional schools.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
I largely think that people should be left alone a great deal more than what they are. If you can educate kids at home then I don't see what the objection is to setting up a small school.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's fucked up. Sorry.
andysays
Love and solidarity
that's along the organizational lines i was thinking of but i've seen the library of one of these steiner schools and they had books about atlantis and lemuria in the history section.
If library books aren't organised in strict accordance with the Dewey Decimal system, it's not my revolution...
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
£200 a month?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What about working in them?
I have.
You got a problem with that?
(I know we've had this discussion before so feel free to pass!)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, I'm conflicted over this as I'm quite anti-school in general.
Anti-conventional schools that try to produce conventional people, that is. Such sausage factories are a source of endless boredom and kill off many a bright intellect.I couldn't find an extra £200 a month (I checked, its 250 a month at the nearest Steiner school for my salary).
A bloke I garden for has just bought a £600,000 house in Cambridge as a BTL. He had vaguely cherished notions that he was going to be a good and responsible landlord, let only to a nice and needy family etc. He signed on with a lettings agency who immediately told him to get 6 tech workers in, paying Cambridge max rents...and funnily enough, once the sums were revealed to him, he caved instantly and is now developing a nice line in justification (it's my old age pension!) Shitter - I may spray Round-Up on his border and resign quicksmart.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
And per kid too. Plus they end up being hippy weirdos for the price
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Happy weirdos, though, for the most part.
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
This does appear to be true
really? I seem to remember the experience of steiner schooled people on here being mixed...
Nancy_Winks
Well-Known Member
Actual laugh out loud about rainbow rhythms
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'Lovely people poorly equipped to deal with the real world' is one way I've heard to describe a typical ex-steiner adult.
Not that different from me, tbh ...
I dunno. In many ways, sending your kid to the local comp is the best thing you can do by them, even if they do spend half their time bored shitless. I don't have good answers here.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
these were organised using the bliss classificationIf library books aren't organised in strict accordance with the Dewey Decimal system, it's not my revolution...
Similar threads
