Rutherglen and Hamilton West (... eventually)

[farmerbarleymow]

Always lovely to see the tories lose their deposit.

 

[Sue]

Always lovely to see the tories lose their deposit.

Assume at least some of that was due to tactical voting.

 

[Bus Honeygun]

Had to look up Garry Cooke's position. He was standing to 'make history' by pressuring the English Premier League to allow Rangers and Celtic to join.

I think it's fair to say his narrative didn't cut through to the electorate.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

((Garry))

 

[brogdale]

Assume at least some of that was due to tactical voting.

Yeah, it's quite tasty to see the Scots vermin's hatred of the nationalists bolster the likelihood of a larger UK majority for Labour!

 

[steeplejack]

We'll see a bit of this next year, like the 2017 General Election: Tories voting Labour to ensure the Nat loses. Given that the bigoted, sexist eighteenth century knuckledragger standing for the "Scottish Family Party", was gloating about the SNP's defeat last night, I suspect even he voted Labour.

The Emperor of India will be bitterly disappointed with his tally of just 34, but gained valuable experience and will look to bounce back next year in Hyderabad South, which will be less stony ground for him.

The Nats have a half hearted farrago of limp excuses, they will point to Margaret Ferrier, bad weather, an unlucky revelation of the queen of spades during a game of gin rummy between Humza Yousaf and the candidate the night before the election, etc etc. They need to find a compelling few reasons for their support to turn out, and an exhausted and whiffy government well past its sell by date, will find that tough in the next twelve months. Not sure that claiming a majority of seats is a mandate for independence is the way to go, given that the legal / fiscal infrastructure to push it through in the parallel universe where Westminster agrees to that, just isn't there.

Heavy losses look likely next year. The SNP deserve a good kicking. But neoliberalism and late capitalism triumphs whatever the result.

 

[A380]

Always lovely to see the tories lose their deposit.

Rejoice, just Rejoice.

(M Thatcher 1982)

 

[A380]

Had to look up Garry Cooke's position. He was standing to 'make history' by pressuring the English Premier League to allow Rangers and Celtic to join.

I think it's fair to say his narrative didn't cut through to the electorate.

Tactical voting by the Scottish Bournemouth and Sheffield diaspora cost him the seat obvs...

 

[danny la rouge]

Heavy losses look likely next year. The SNP deserve a good kicking. But neoliberalism and late capitalism triumphs whatever the result.

Aye, aye, and, sadly, aye.

 

[StoneRoad]

The only surprise for me was the size of the increase in Labour's vote ... a 20% swing, if repeated next year in a general election, would garner Starmer a landslide into power.

The tactical voting I could see was anything to avoid the SNP & Tory party.

 

[danny la rouge]

The only surprise for me was the size of the increase in Labour's vote ... a 20% swing, if repeated next year in a general election, would garner Starmer a landslide into power.

The tactical voting I could see was anything to avoid the SNP & Tory party.

Yeah, I fear you’re missing some Scotland-specific nuance. Yes, the size of the swing was a surprise, but it was achieved with the help of Tory voters voting Labour.

A tactical vote against the Tories in that constituency wouldn’t make sense. The tactical vote was by Tories. Who bolstered the SNP vote flooding to Labour.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Always lovely to see the tories lose their deposit.

The downside is we'll now have to endure days of Starmer congratulating himself.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I'm going to need a bigger sick bucket.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Assume at least some of that was due to tactical voting.

It was. The Conservatives were never going to win the seat, so a lot of vote 'lending'.

 

[Sasaferrato]

We'll see a bit of this next year, like the 2017 General Election: Tories voting Labour to ensure the Nat loses. Given that the bigoted, sexist eighteenth century knuckledragger standing for the "Scottish Family Party", was gloating about the SNP's defeat last night, I suspect even he voted Labour.

The Emperor of India will be bitterly disappointed with his tally of just 34, but gained valuable experience and will look to bounce back next year in Hyderabad South, which will be less stony ground for him.

The Nats have a half hearted farrago of limp excuses, they will point to Margaret Ferrier, bad weather, an unlucky revelation of the queen of spades during a game of gin rummy between Humza Yousaf and the candidate the night before the election, etc etc. They need to find a compelling few reasons for their support to turn out, and an exhausted and whiffy government well past its sell by date, will find that tough in the next twelve months. Not sure that claiming a majority of seats is a mandate for independence is the way to go, given that the legal / fiscal infrastructure to push it through in the parallel universe where Westminster agrees to that, just isn't there.

Heavy losses look likely next year. The SNP deserve a good kicking. But neoliberalism and late capitalism triumphs whatever the result.

Well, the Scottish Family Party has such a high profile that until reading your post, I'd never heard of them. Your synopsis saves me the bother of now looking them up.

 

[weepiper]

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I think we should modernise our electoral systems and introduce hanging chads.

i'm against capital punishment...

 

[danny la rouge]

i'm against capital punishment...

Yes, can we not just strongly advise Chads to change their name by deed poll?

 

[PTK]

The Labour Party won this by-election with about 1,000 fewer votes than it recieved last time. The SNP received about 15,000 fewer votes.

Not a good win for Labour.

 

[danny la rouge]

The Labour Party won this by-election with about 1,000 fewer votes than it recieved last time. The SNP received about 15,000 fewer votes.

Not a good win for Labour.

I’ve not seen the turnout. Was it down?

 

[DotCommunist]

30% apparently, I thought by elections always had a fairly low turnout though, not sure if this is remarkably low

e2a and as usual it winds me up when I see a low turnout, trade unions held to far higher democratic standards than this. Far higher.

 

[planetgeli]

I’ve not seen the turnout. Was it down?

66.5 down to 37.9

 

[Sasaferrato]

30% apparently, I thought by elections always had a fairly low turnout though, not sure if this is remarkably low

e2a and as usual it winds me up when I see a low turnout, trade unions held to far higher democratic standards than this. Far higher.

Unless you introduce compulsory voting, it is difficult to see how you could impose a minimum turnout figure on elections.

 

[PTK]

Turnout 37.2%

Rutherglen and Hamilton West (UK Parliament constituency) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[steeplejack]

I’ve not seen the turnout. Was it down?

Turnout 37.2% - pretty low.

Varying amounts of copium on twitter although party activist Marcus Carslaw has a sensible take. This is primly and tartly dismissed by Mhairi Hunter, the voice of the leadership on social media, whilst various @Gary457676767687s claim that the SNP lost because they didn't talk enough about independence.

 

[danny la rouge]

30% apparently, I thought by elections always had a fairly low turnout though, not sure if this is remarkably low

e2a and as usual it winds me up when I see a low turnout, trade unions held to far higher democratic standards than this. Far higher.

It’s very low.

 

[danny la rouge]

Turnout 37.2% - pretty low.

Varying amounts of copium on twitter although party activist Marcus Carslaw has a sensible take. This is primly and tartly dismissed by Mhairi Hunter, the voice of the leadership on social media, whilst various @Gary457676767687s claim that the SNP lost because they didn't talk enough about independence.View attachment 394407

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Mairi Hunter on the ball as ever.

 

[PTK]

It is interesting that a man from the SNP on Radio 4 congratulated the successful Labour candidate for calling for the abolition of the "two-child limit" on Universal Credit.

 

[Sue]

It is interesting that a man from the SNP on Radio 4 congratulated the successful Labour candidate for calling for the abolition of the "two-child limit" on Universal Credit.

Some background.

SNP MP accuses Labour of 'shameful' U-turn on rape clause

LABOUR have been accused by the SNP of a “shameful” U-turn on abolishing the two-child benefit cap with numerous senior figures from the party…

www.thenational.scot

 

[Serge Forward]

30% apparently, I thought by elections always had a fairly low turnout though, not sure if this is remarkably low

e2a and as usual it winds me up when I see a low turnout, trade unions held to far higher democratic standards than this. Far higher.

Aye, if they were more consistent, a turnout of less than 50% would bar prospective MPs, councillors or assembly member from taking their seat. Null and fucking void.

But then restrictions against trade unions have always had fuck all to do with democracy.