Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[Autumnal Leaves]

i can see the future - all major talking points are talked about admist a swirl of utter fucking conspiracy ladden horseshit. no turning back.

That seems to be the way of the world these days. It's one of the major pitfalls of the internet.

 

[phildwyer]

is Phil an Urban EdgeLord?

Retired, hurt.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well now the thread is firmly about Phil, not bad for an hours work

He's slipping, in the auld days it'd have been 5 minutes

 

[phildwyer]

And with four words so much of the problem of conspiraloonery is summarised. Information quality? Political agenda? Funding? Prior behaviour? None of it matters, there's no evidence "I agree with" that my sources aren't great.

No, what I mean is, I've seen exactly 5 of their videos, and I think they're all brilliant. Every political website in the world has a thousand other websites slagging it off, so I ignore the slaggers and just like whatever I like, without paying any attention to the source. Fair enough?

 

[phildwyer]

He's slipping, in the auld days it'd have been 5 minutes

Good to see you Pickers!

 

[8ball]

Well now the thread is firmly about Phil, not bad for an hours work

Especially when less than 1% of it was done by Phil.

 

[Rob Ray]

I ignore the slaggers and just like whatever I like, without paying any attention to the source. Fair enough?

It's a great recipe for hearing what you like, and a terrible one for seriously engaging with the modern world.

 

[two sheds]

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLES

 

[phildwyer]

It's a great recipe for hearing what you like, and a terrible one for seriously engaging with the modern world.

Got to disagree. It seems to me that the real problem is that people prejudge websites, newspapers and commentators on the basis of political faction, without bothering to actually read the material themselves. Cancel culture innit. Much better to keep an open mind and read everything imho.

 

[Spymaster]

Especially when less than 1% of it was done by Phil.

‘twas ever thus!

 

[editor]

I haven't seen the videos to which you refer. Have you?

Check this one out. It's good stuff:

To quote the reported post - because I think you need to read it and think about it:

(he's) trolling with a video of another alleged rapist on a thread about an alleged rapist. It's really horrible to see.

 

[phildwyer]

To quote the reported post - because I think you need to read it and think about it:

Assange is innocent.

 

[JimW]

Got to disagree. It seems to me that the real problem is that people prejudge websites, newspapers and commentators on the basis of political faction, without bothering to actually read the material themselves. Cancel culture innit. Much better to keep an open mind and read everything imho.

Some of the criticisms do look pretty thin but state-paid apologism is more than a faux pas, surely, and does bring the whole endeavour into question.

 

[Sue]

Do you really think joking about conspiracy theorist shite is appropriate in a thread about multiple women and girls being raped and sexually abused? People like Blumenthal perpetuate this culture of covering up gross mismisogy

This FFS. THIS.

 

[Rob Ray]

Got to disagree.

Yes I'm sure you do. Unfortunately what actually happens is you get sucked into tin foil hat land by grifters who are good at sounding plausible.

 

[krtek a houby]

Assange is innocent.

You were a fool before, and now you're a dangerous fool.

Stop promoting rapists and misogynists.

 

[phildwyer]

Some of the criticisms do look pretty thin but state-paid apologism is more than a faux pas, surely, and does bring the whole endeavour into question.

You mean the Greyzone is sponsored by Russia? Did not know that. But still, I'm capable of recognizing propaganda. I want to make up my own mind.

 

[editor]

Assange is innocent.

He may well be. Or not. But here's what Human Rights Watch says about him:

When WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange was arrested in London last week so he could face charges in the US, it raised deep concerns around media freedom. Amid these concerns, however, let’s remember that Assange is also accused of rape.

Assange fled to London’s Ecuador embassy seven years ago to escape pending extradition proceedings that would have seen him returned to Sweden to face charges of unlawful coercion, sexual molestation, and rape, based on allegations by two women. He stayed in the embassy since then, he says, because Sweden would not guarantee against his onward extradition to the US, should the US wish to prosecute him for leaking diplomatic cables.

As Assange sheltered in the embassy, beyond the reach of law enforcement, the statute of limitations expired on the charges of unlawful coercion and sexual molestation, meaning that they can no longer be prosecuted because so much time has passed.

The rape charge was shelved, but can be restored until its statute of limitations expires in August 2020.

She Accused Assange of Rape. Give Her a Chance for Justice

When WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange was arrested in London last week so he could face charges in the US, it raised deep concerns around media freedom. Amid these concerns, however, let’s remember that Assange is also accused of rape.

www.hrw.org

Do you think the women deserve justice or not?

 

[phildwyer]

Yes I'm sure you do. Unfortunately what actually happens is you get sucked into tin foil hat land by grifters who are good at sounding plausible.

Speak for yourself. I know a plausible grifter when I see one.

 

[Rob Ray]

I'm capable of recognizing propaganda

You're promoting an infamous propagandist, so you clearly aren't. Which isn't a bad thing to admit - propaganda can be very slick and difficult to detect, which is why paying attention to the critics of things you watch isn't cancel culture, just prudent.

 

[phildwyer]

He may well be. Or not. But here's what Human Rights Watch says about him:

She Accused Assange of Rape. Give Her a Chance for Justice

When WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange was arrested in London last week so he could face charges in the US, it raised deep concerns around media freedom. Amid these concerns, however, let’s remember that Assange is also accused of rape.

www.hrw.org

Do you think the women deserve justice or not?

Yes I do. But I think he's innocent. I think he was set up because the U.S. government did not like having their war crimes exposed on Wikileaks.

 

[Dystopiary]

"Those women are all lying." Great.

 

[JimW]

You mean the Greyzone is sponsored by Russia? Did not know that. But still, I'm capable of recognizing propaganda. I want to make up my own mind.

That's the accusation, plus Syrian-adjacent money for Blumenthal etc.

 

[a_chap]

That's fastest I've ever put someone on ignore.

Maybe I'll return to reading some posts pertaining to the odious R Brand now...

 

[phildwyer]

That's the accusation, plus Syrian-adjacent money for Blumenthal etc.

Oh right, it's an accusation. Anyone can make an accusation. I have to judge them by what I've seen, which is excellent. Afaics most of the criticism levelled against them is bare factionalism.

 

[Rob Ray]

That's the accusation, plus Syrian-adjacent money for Blumenthal etc.

I mean it's more just public record that he's been on Russia's payroll for years, he was a prominent paid talking head for RT before they got shut down.

 

[phildwyer]

"Those women are all lying." Great.

The honey-trap is literally the oldest trick in the book.

 

[editor]

Yes I do. But I think he's innocent. I think he was set up because the U.S. government did not like having their war crimes exposed on Wikileaks.

What evidence do you have that the women were lying?

 

[phildwyer]

I mean it's more just public record that he's been on Russia's payroll for years, he was a prominent paid talking head for RT before they got shut down.

I find RT a good sight better than the BBC.

 

[editor]

The honey-trap is literally the oldest trick in the book.

You disgusting misogynistic wanker. You're banned from this thread.