LeytonCatLady
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Oh fuck off.
Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Brand exposing himself and then laughing about it on air feels like a microcosm of the whole thing. Firstly, there's Brand himself carrying out a sexual assault* and then thinking he has impunity, either because that's what he thinks full stop or because, somehow, he thinks the 'comedy/sleb' persona he has created plays by different rules. He's the fixed point in this. It's really about Matt Morgan, the wider programming team and the BBC itself. I doubt Morgan's own sense of right and wrong can be that great, but he's the minor player at this point in Brand's career. Maybe he's a misogynist himself, but he certainly thinks the Brand bubble puts this sexual assault into a different column. Hard to tell how he's processing it, but he's just had a giggling Brand reporting a sexual assault to him and then he's still able to play that out as business as usual broadcasting.
Then the BBC. For me it's not so much a case of blaming senior managers about something that should have been passed up the chain of command that very day (I mean, obviously, that's exactly what should have happened in a sane world). As discussed a few pages back, it's the idea of 'edgy' broadcasting (aka sexual assault), the race to the bottom, the new media environment. Throw in neo-liberalism and plenty more besides. It's a creation where nobody in power at the BBC would even conceive of this as something they should intervene it. All the obvious stuff about competition and not wanting to lose the 'talent', but more, everything is fine if it gets a market share. In fact the edgier the better - go on Russell, Jonathan et al - keep it coming. The only point to panic, to intervene, to start taking responsibility for the monsters you've created is when it blows up in your face (Sachsgate for example, the current allegations against Brand even more so). There's absolutely no hinterland between 'let the talented edgelords get on with making money' and falling into panic mode when the shit hits the fan, despite all the talk of lessons learned every time this happens. And the truly, truly awful thing to end on is that an assault on a woman at reception didn't get anywhere near triggering the panic response, either when it happened or even in 2019.
* won't bother with 'alleged', given that he admits it in the fucking clip.
Then the BBC. For me it's not so much a case of blaming senior managers about something that should have been passed up the chain of command that very day (I mean, obviously, that's exactly what should have happened in a sane world). As discussed a few pages back, it's the idea of 'edgy' broadcasting (aka sexual assault), the race to the bottom, the new media environment. Throw in neo-liberalism and plenty more besides. It's a creation where nobody in power at the BBC would even conceive of this as something they should intervene it. All the obvious stuff about competition and not wanting to lose the 'talent', but more, everything is fine if it gets a market share. In fact the edgier the better - go on Russell, Jonathan et al - keep it coming. The only point to panic, to intervene, to start taking responsibility for the monsters you've created is when it blows up in your face (Sachsgate for example, the current allegations against Brand even more so). There's absolutely no hinterland between 'let the talented edgelords get on with making money' and falling into panic mode when the shit hits the fan, despite all the talk of lessons learned every time this happens. And the truly, truly awful thing to end on is that an assault on a woman at reception didn't get anywhere near triggering the panic response, either when it happened or even in 2019.
* won't bother with 'alleged', given that he admits it in the fucking clip.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
The typical cheery stuff you learn in primary school.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Call my offspring any old non binary and you would get you a solid right hook.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
And they tend to storm off and/or mutter furiously how "urban's changed"
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
He appears to have distanced himself from Brand pretty quickly since this came out.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I'm not sure that the trans and/or non binary people would completely agree with this. But it's up to them to say tbh. I don't think the sexism's getting much better. Eg some bloke decided for me that I was being "white knighted" earlier in this thread, oh the fucking irony.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
true but a baby elephant is more likely to be next to a white cis male, what with being a landlubber an'allI appreciate the sentment but...
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That’s fair comment. And I of course welcome correction. But from my perspective, generally things look to be improved but with further still to go.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
In all honesty (and I may be missing out - I put a couple of threads on ignore a few years ago in the interests of my blood pressure and avoiding the chances of me getting banned for telling certain individuals to fuck off) I think things round here are at least getting less worse on that score. a few years ago, it was generally trans / NB people, or who argued with transphobes who were getting told to stfu and in many cases leaving urban. i don't want to get in to call-out territory, but from where i'm sitting it seems to be more often the other way round now.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
I was pissed off with Pickman's not you. I've clearly misunderstood what WK means. I thought it was something women had done to them without discussion or whatever; I was having a dig at the WK not the person they were 'gallantly defending'. It felt over the top. Genuinely sorry that I fucked that up. I didn't mean to decide anything for you.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It was a reply to Rob rather than correcting you but maybe I should have posted it as a stand-alone comment tbf.
I think the main driver for improvement in the area of trans and non binary acceptance is a new generation of young people with much less tolerance for entrenched attitudes, unfortunately we don't get to see much of that on urban but many parents of the new generation are helping by their questioning and challenging.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Thanks for your reply. I disagree re your basis for being pissed off with Pickman's but your offence is a matter for you - you could have just called him a cunt for supporting me when I was obviously upset and rape-triggered as I had specifically posted.
Anyway, let's draw a line under it. Thanks again for your reply.
editor
hiraethified
Not if I haven't kicked them off the thread first!
1%er
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1%er
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To many (small l) liberals post here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yet another cunt steps into the ring.
gosub
~#
So that would have been a free pass for everyone convicted by operation yewtree
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Can't think of any reasons apart from selfless altruism and a keen sense of justice why someone might want that
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's why the word potential was used. You can say sexual predator. The point is the use of the word pest needs to go and it's not just media, it's used in conversation too.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Great, but we're not German.
gosub
~#
BigMoaner
We will all go together
I mean maybe I am too much of a sheeple, but I just don't get the paranoia, the "hidden shadowy forces" behind everything that is the implication of what he is saying. I mean we know that - it's the movement of capital, the power that capital brings as it solidifies and exerts, lobbying, etc - but these "grand shadowy collusions", I just don't buy - and that's what he is suggesting, isn't he? All I see is x amount of victims, making x amount of claims, and journalists using their stories to make a program. Why the perpetual paranoia? But that's what the conspiratorial/trump right is all about, isn;t it? Sandcastles in the air. They think they are performing some Watergate level of deep diving, when really they are just clutching at things and shouting into a mic. It's a career in drawing the wrong conclusions.
If the deep state is only concerned with "proteching legacy media" then they reallly can't be much of a deep state. If there was a true "deep state (translation: jews and marxists) then youtube etc probably wouldn't even exist in the first place.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
The implications of what he is saying too is that the victims are somehow in collusion with the "deep state". It's disgusting really the presentation of his defence in this. What are you saying, Brand, about their testimony? That their testomony is not real somehow, that it's manipulated by shadowy men in black suits? And if you are not saying that, then surely you deserve court.
Humberto
Justice is order
I swear half of this shit is because people like fantasy blended with reality. The hidden 'truth', the sexy mystery that (lol) Brand or whoever has the powers of insight to reveal. Too many wankers around who buy it.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
Yes there’s huge shots of emotional gratification that goes with it. “I march to a different drum, I’ve seen through the game”. Incredibly soothing and capturing. That’s not even going into the inherent narcissism in such outlooks.
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