Russell Brand on Revolution

[Jean-Luc]

Still, I'm mildly curious as to what impact he is having outside of the commentariat.

That's more like it. He must be having some effect, on ideas if not on actual struggles. Difficult to guage of course but utopian anarchist ideas are being given an airing they don't usually get.

 

[butchersapron]

That's more like it. He must be having some effect, on ideas if not on actual struggles. Difficult to guage of course but utopian anarchist ideas are being given an airing they don't usually get.

What 'utopian anarchist' ideas are getting an airing?

 

[benedict]

"David Icke is a pal of mine and I think he's cool"

"I like David Icke a lot. I'm into his books, I'm into his theories. I really like 'human race, get off your knees'"

Oh dear.

 

[Anudder Oik]

What 'utopian anarchist' ideas are getting an airing?

How exactly are struggles being damaged?

Is there a way to discern this or is it only theory?

 

[butchersapron]

How exactly are struggles being damaged?

Is there a way to discern this or is it only theory?

What's that got to do with my question to jean luc?

 

[Anudder Oik]

What's that got to do with my question to jean luc?

I posted my question as the answer to yours above is too obvious to warrant an answer. Brand's ideas are all over the trews thing he does. It hardly matters that they be utopian socialist or anarchist.

For me it is more important to fathom exactly how his association and publicity for campaigns can actually damage them. How do we measure this?

 

[Buckaroo]

How exactly are struggles being damaged?

Is there a way to discern this or is it only theory?

What, how does that follow?

 

[treelover]

Genuine question, has Icke had any real influence in the world, any policy as a consequence of his worldview, I know its has weakened the left to some degree, one of my friend who really cares about people, campaigns, is a C/T to a degree, but what real impact?

or is that to come...

 

[benedict]

Genuine question, has Icke had any real influence in the world, any policy as a consequence of his worldview, I know its has weakened the left to some degree, one of my friend who really cares about people, campaigns, is a C/T to a degree, but what real impact?

or is that to come...

What are you talking about?

 

[benedict]

Horrible objectifying here. "Imagine her head on a fat woman"

And he's friends with Paul McKenna.

 

[butchersapron]

I posted my question as the answer to yours above is too obvious to warrant an answer. Brand's ideas are all over the trews thing he does. It hardly matters that they be utopian socialist or anarchist.

For me it is more important to fathom exactly how his association and publicity for campaigns can actually damage them. How do we measure this?

Maybe you can point me to the obvious answer then. Ta.

 

[benedict]

Genuine question, has Icke had any real influence in the world, any policy as a consequence of his worldview, I know its has weakened the left to some degree, one of my friend who really cares about people, campaigns, is a C/T to a degree, but what real impact?

or is that to come...

Possible influence on BBC chat show guest pre-screening policy.

 

[Anudder Oik]

What, how does that follow?

The most important criticism levelled at Brand in these threads has been that his presence or association with campaigns damages them. All the rest is anecdotal, like, can he change, should he denounce his past more, etc,.

I want to be absolutely clear on this particular point before even considering the rest.

 

[treelover]

What are you talking about?

As the question, is Ike an irritant or more?

waits for the smart arses to reframe the question.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Maybe you can point me to the obvious answer then. Ta.

Jean Luc can answer you. I think all anti-capitalist thinking can be traced back to the utopian ideas of the late 19th century. Utopia meaning a fairer world.

 

[Coolfonz]

The most important criticism levelled at Brand in these threads has been that his presence or association with campaigns damages them. All the rest is anecdotal, like, can he change, should he denounce his past more, etc,.

I want to be absolutely clear on this particular point before even considering the rest.

It's not "anecdotal" that he has hung out with and voices support for Jew haters.

 

[Buckaroo]

The most important criticism levelled at Brand in these threads has been that his presence or association with campaigns damages them. All the rest is anecdotal, like, can he change, should he denounce his past more, etc,.

I want to be absolutely clear on this particular point before even considering the rest.

No it isn't. The most important criticism is that he's a self promoting cunt blagging it on the back of other peoples' misery and he's got some dodgy guru mates in the wings.

 

[Coolfonz]

Jean Luc can answer you. I think all anti-capitalist thinking can be traced back to the utopian ideas of the late 19th century. Utopia meaning a fairer world.

Utopia doesn't mean "fairer world". It means a paradise as defined by the person who says it. If i had a utopia Chelsea would win the league every year.

 

[DotCommunist]

What's Noel Gallagher got to do with social change?

I bet he has never looked back in anger

 

[Anudder Oik]

Utopia doesn't mean "fairer world". It means a paradise as defined by the person who says it. If i had a utopia Chelsea would win the league every year.

That's fair.

 

[benedict]

No it isn't. The most important criticism is that he's a self promoting cunt blagging it on the back of other peoples' misery and he's got some dodgy guru mates in the wings.

I think this is it.

 

[butchersapron]

Jean Luc can answer you. I think all anti-capitalist thinking can be traced back to the utopian ideas of the late 19th century. Utopia meaning a fairer world.

Why are you telling me this?

 

[Buckaroo]

I bet he has never looked back in anger

He fucking should.

 

[DotCommunist]

Some might say.

and as he cussed the sun he cast no shadow

 

[Anudder Oik]

Why are you telling me this?

Because I am not interested in answering your question to Jean Luc. I felt it was a kind of lazy question so I am butting in and changing the subject.

What I really want to know is how exactly we can measure how Brand's involvement is detrimental to political campaigns. I direct this question to you as you have written about this theme.

 

[butchersapron]

Because I am not interested in answering your question to Jean Luc. I felt it was a kind of lazy question so I am butting in and changing the subject.

What I really want to know is how exactly we can measure how Brand's involvement is detrimental to political campaigns. I direct this question to you as you have written about this theme.

You butted into a question i asked jean luc to tell me that you're not interested in answering it? Then you post some historically incorrect nonsense at me and demand i answer a question of yours because you think i've already answered it? Are you for real?

 

[Buckaroo]

Because I am not interested in answering your question to Jean Luc. I felt it was a kind of lazy question so I am butting in and changing the subject.

What I really want to know is how exactly we can measure how Brand's involvement is detrimental to political campaigns. I direct this question to you as you have written about this theme.

Straight up, that's the funniest post I've seen here. I am not interested in answering your question because it was a lazy question and I am pretending to be French. Brilliant

 

[elbows]

I did some semi-random youtube searching and the first thing I clicked on was this.

 

[Buckaroo]

I did some semi-random youtube searching and the first thing I clicked on was this.

Yeah, that stuff with media, on media as the comedian, flirty extrovert, not bullying/sexist I think or is it? That's showbiz? Interesting the Paul Mckenna link though.

 

[benedict]

Yeah, that stuff with media, on media as the comedian, flirty extrovert, not bullying/sexist I think or is it? That's showbiz?

Or hiding in plain sight.