Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

[Lurdan]

There are police on a police forum and even on the Sheffield Star website justifying the predatory behaviour of the copper on the basis that the victim of child rape was 17 and so fair game. So a combination of accusations of racism and 'she is fair game' - how did we get to the point of thousands of kids being raped in the first place again?

Indeed.

Obviously there is no contradiction in someone being well liked or respected by colleagues and doing bad stuff and it's fair to note that failing to form an inappropriate relationship with a victim of abuse, while well out of order, is not quite at the level of, say, finding a victim with abusers and only arresting her. (*Puts away world's smallest violin*). IMO the more serious allegation (if it's him) would be 'passing information to abusers'.

Obviously his death doesn't stop any IPCC investigation, particularly given that another officer who allegedly failed to act despite knowing about it has also been referred.

 

[Lurdan]

Andrew Norfolk writes about PC Ali in today's Times. He was apparently not the officer referred to in Norfolk's story earlier this week (picked up by the Independent, which I quoted from back here, and mentioned above). That officer was described by Norfolk as "corrupt" as "having sex with victims" and as having "regularly passed information to abusers targeting vulnerable children for sex".

PC Ali instead was one of the 10 officers the IPCC agreed to investigate last year, in his case for alleged misconduct.

Norfolk's story about PC Ali (google cache link) :

A police officer who was under investigation for alleged misconduct linked to the Rotherham sex-grooming scandal has died after a car accident.

PC Hassan Ali, 44, had been placed on restricted duties while allegations against him were examined by the independent police complaints commission (IPCC).

The neighbourhood officer was off duty and crossing a road when he was involved in a collision with a car in Sheffield. He died on Thursday.

It can be revealed that he was once in regular contact with a violent convicted offender suspected of targeting and abusing more than a dozen under-age Rotherham girls, some of whom were made pregnant by him.

One of the man’s former child victims said that her abuser often spoke to PC Ali, always from a public phone box, when she was missing from home and with him.

The same officer was involved in an extraordinary deal in March 2000 under which the man agreed to hand the pregnant 14-year-old girl to police at a petrol station after receiving an assurance that he would not be detained.

Also involved in discussions with the abuser’s family during the same incident was Jahangir Akhtar, the former deputy leader of Rotherham council. He was related to the man, then in his mid-twenties.

Mr Akhtar resigned from his senior council role and stood down as vice-chairman of the South Yorkshire police and crime panel in 2013 after his role in the handover was revealed by The Times.

He has insisted that he spoke to the man’s mother at the request of the police. He denied knowing that incident was linked to child sexual exploitation.

Police and local authority staff have faced severe criticism since an inquiry found last year that 1,400 children had been abused in the town over 16 years, mainly by groups of men of Pakistani origin.

This week a government-ordered inspection report accused the council of being in collective denial about the scale and extent of its failings.

PC Ali, a police officer for 18 years, was one of ten serving or retired officers under investigation by the watchdog over their handling of sex-grooming cases.

The inquiry comes after referrals made by the South Yorkshire force. He was the subject of four complaints from two individuals.

They included claims that he twice asked a sex-grooming victim on a date, when she was aged 17 and 21, despite knowing of her abuse. The complainant described his conduct as “inappropriate and totally unprofessional”.

The Sheffield Star reported yesterday that PC Ali was the subject of a police “monitoring operation” before his death, which the force believes was a “tragic accident”. David Crompton, its chief constable, described him as “a well-liked officer whose colleagues are devastated by what has happened”.

This week The Times revealed that another police officer was the subject of a complaint referred to the IPCC, linked to his alleged corrupt relationship with groups of abusers.

It was revealed that two councillors, one of them a serving member, has been referred to the National Crime Agency over alleged involvement with child sex exploitation.

The two councillors were the subject of concerns raised during an inspection of Rotherham led by Louise Casey, the director-general of the government’s Troubled Families programme. Her report found that staff and councillors failed to acknowledge and tackle the endemic crime pattern because they feared being branded racist.

Eric Pickles, the communities secretary, stripped the council of many of its powers and a team of five commissioners will be sent to run the authority.

(The incident referred to involving former Councillor Jahangir Akhtar concerns the victim known as 'Jessica' who Andrew Norfolk originally wrote about in August 2013. (That story can be found at this link). The violent criminal referred to is Arshid Hussain, the subject of this Daily Mail story).

 

[Sirena]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-rotherham-inquiry-dies-hit-by-car-hassan-ali

It was just the denial that this was 'a hit job'......

 

[DotCommunist]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-rotherham-inquiry-dies-hit-by-car-hassan-ali

It was just the denial that this was 'a hit job'......

tbh my first thought was 'what a convenient car crash' then my second was 'wait, thats not how it works' as they are totally used to covering up, getting away with anything in court. But I can see why they denied it anyway, it does look very convenient

 

[bluescreen]

Same thought here: why deny something that wasn't alleged?
It's all stinky though; doubt we'll ever get the truth of it. Very sad for PC Ali if all he was ever guilty of was a questionable sense of boundaries.

 

[Sirena]

Same thought here: why deny something that wasn't alleged?
It's all stinky though; doubt we'll ever get the truth of it. Very sad for PC Ali if all he was ever guilty of was a questionable sense of boundaries.

I wonder if he stepped in front of the car...?

 

[DotCommunist]

Same thought here: why deny something that wasn't alleged?
It's all stinky though; doubt we'll ever get the truth of it. Very sad for PC Ali if all he was ever guilty of was a questionable sense of boundaries.

because you know everyone will be thinking it.

 

[bluescreen]

because you know everyone will be thinking it.

They'll all be thinking it because that's the default.

 

[Sirena]

because you know everyone will be thinking it.

This is another one where everyone in the world was thinking it....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/05/archer.politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Coghlan

but it was just the tragic end to a disgraceful tangle...

 

[bluescreen]

This is another one where everyone in the world was thinking it....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/05/archer.politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Coghlan

but it was just the tragic end to a disgraceful tangle...

Dear God, I'd forgotten that. But yes.

 

[phildwyer]

This is another one where everyone in the world was thinking it....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/05/archer.politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Coghlan

but it was just the tragic end to a disgraceful tangle...

That Monica Coghlan must have been the unluckiest woman in the world.

 

[Sprocket.]

There was a strong rumour, I stress rumour going in the stands at the match at Rotherham yesterday that PC Ali was run over by his own brother!
The rumour mill is in full flow at the Millers it seems. I will do a bit of digging when the next shift arrive later.

 

[Pickman's model]

Same thought here: why deny something that wasn't alleged?
It's all stinky though; doubt we'll ever get the truth of it. Very sad for PC Ali if all he was ever guilty of was a questionable sense of boundaries.

and a green cross code violation

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

I hate what's been going on. I don't think there is anyone around who doesn't. What I'm questioning is that people are seeking to make political capital out of it.

Yes, what utter cunts all those people were for highlighting a problem and seeing through the solution.

The only politicians that should be allowed to discuss the problem, are the ones we agree with, even if they are complicit in the whole debacle.

 

[Lurdan]

From the latest Private Eye a story about Rother Valley MP Sir Kevin Barron

Spoiler

via reddit

The statement that Denis MacShane says he was never "approached by constituents who were victims of child abuse" is an interesting choice of words. As mentioned earlier in this thread

while he was in office [he] was one of those written to in 2009 by the charity CROP (now PACE) giving a detailed account of how a CSE case they were very concerned about was being mishandled by Social Services.

That letter from CROP with victims names redacted can be found online here.

"The former MP said he has no knowledge of the letter" - Yorkshire Post

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834

 

[J Ed]

You cannot make this shit up.

An awards ceremony in Rotherham for police this year.

https://www.facebook.com/southyorks....245483.25941498096/10152699396428097/?type=1

FORCE NEWS: Officers awarded at Rotherham’s annual ceremony

Officers and staff who went above and beyond the call of duty to protect and serve the public have been recognised for their efforts at South Yorkshire Police’s Rotherham district awards.

The annual awards, which launched in 2007, were held at Rotherham United’s New York stadium on Friday 20 February, where individuals along with community partnerships were honoured for their outstanding contributions to the town’s police force. A number of District Commander Commendations were also issued on the night to officers and staff for exceptional work.

Those with faceache accounts can see how the good denizen of South Yorkshire regard this behaviour, that isn't surprising, what is more telling is the replies of some obvious coppers to objections to an award ceremony being held while South Yorkshire Police continue to cover up child rape on an industrial scale. Brass fucking necks.

 

[J Ed]

So the Labour PCC has come out swinging... against the fact that pictures of the ceremony were posted on facebook (not that it happened in the first place). Oh, and he attended.

Dr Billings said: “I did go and talk to the district commander and the team before the awards and they did wrestle with the decision to hold it or not and they decided they would go ahead.”

Chief Supt Jason Harwin, Rotherham district commander said the force ‘recognise that people must be held to account’ over the Rotherham scandal but added: “We also need to recognise when people do a good job and promote the exceptional work that takes place every day.

It's not like thousands of kids have been raped for profit or that the police cover up is ongoing or anything...

 

[J Ed]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hild-sexual-exploitation-inquiry-300-suspects

Two current or former Rotherham councillors are among up to 300 men suspected of grooming and sexually exploiting girls as young as 12 in the South Yorkshire town, according to the National Crime Agency (NCA).

 

[DaveCinzano]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hild-sexual-exploitation-inquiry-300-suspects

A mere six months after it was announced that "Britain's answer to the FBI" (ahem) would be investigating those two current or former councillors!

#swiftjustice

 

[dylanredefined]

A mere six months after it was announced that "Britain's answer to the FBI" (ahem) would be investigating those two current or former councillors!

#swiftjustice

Real life isn't a TV show. As much as I'd like them to get a kicking till they confess and then gut shot and left to bleed out in a mass grave. Investigating
stuff takes times especially after they have had years to cover things up.

 

[Citizen66]

Majority of Rotherham child exploitation suspects are white, new report claims.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local...uspects-are-white-claims-new-report-1-7392637

 

[belboid]

Majority of Rotherham child exploitation suspects are white, new report claims.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local...uspects-are-white-claims-new-report-1-7392637

interesting/sad/bloody typical that the Star decides that a report showing the majority of offenders are white is merely a 'claim', whereas the report that showing massive levels of abuse by Asian men was stated as a simple fact.

 

[J Ed]

Majority of Rotherham child exploitation suspects are white, new report claims.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local...uspects-are-white-claims-new-report-1-7392637

Makes the claim that the council, social services and police were ignoring CSE because of PCgonemad look even more ridiculous

 

[killer b]

as the first comment on the article says, that report covers all CSE including within families - in a town that's 92% white british, you'd expect the majority of abusers to be white.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm gonna join the EDL as I fully expect them to be livid by this new development.

 

[killer b]

What has this report changed?

 

[Citizen66]

What has this report changed?

In the minds and actions of who?

 

[killer b]

If anything it supports the Jay report - Rotherham has a 3.47% asian population, accounting (according to this new report) for 24% of the sexual exploitation.

The spin on that story (which is lifted directly from a local newspaper) is blatantly political.

 

[Citizen66]

If anything it supports the Jay report - Rotherham has a 3.47% asian population, accounting (according to this new report) for 24% of the sexual exploitation.

The spin on that story (which is lifted directly from a local newspaper) is blatantly political.

The far right have recently been attempting to conflate child abuse with race/religion. It might not change anything in your mind but anything published that serves as a stick to beat that idea with is a good thing imo.

 

[killer b]

Do you think this serves that purpose?