Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

[BanCunnulingus!]

Well if pedophiles really do have more genes in common with crabs than with humans perhaps they are genetically hard wired to respond to that combination of blonde hair and blue eyes. Perhaps it reminds them of little mermaids. Wasn't there a Disney documentary aboiut that ?

We are all hot-wired for sexually attraction.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...ok offending of this nature. So you'd argue misogyny is a feature of ALL rape. So someone who is drunk, has impaired judgement, misreads the signs-rapes someone...thats misogony? I mean all rape is wrong regardless of the circumstances but to suggest misogyny is a feature of ALL rapes ignores the contexts of some rapes.

Mate, you've just cited the three main excuses sex offenders trot out to excuse their behaviour. Those excuses are known as rape myths", primarily because they're mythical insofar as actually being accurate depictions of what offenders really thought.
How do we know this? 30+ years of admissions by sex offenders.

 

[bmd]

We are all hot-wired for sexually attraction.

How is that relevant on a thread where we're talking about child sexual exploitation?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh you can just predict the next thing it is after all urban. Do fuck off .Ive said all rape is wrong you utter cunt. Dont ever label me as a rape apologist

You posted what boils down to rape apologism. Be a fucking mensch and take your licks, for fuck's sake!

 

[ViolentPanda]

double post

 

[BanCunnulingus!]

How is that relevant on a thread where we're talking about child sexual exploitation?

They raped females, not males, they raped young (Very young) women, not old women, they raped White girls, they had their preference, they weren't raping at random.

 

[bmd]

They raped females, not males, they raped young (Very young) women, not old women, they raped White girls, they had their preference, they weren't raping at random.

Paedophiles do have a sexual preference for children.

However, it seems to me that the scale of these crimes is down to the criminal gangs prostituting those children, rather than paedophiles simply going out and finding them one by one.

 

[andysays]

Plenty of people at the BBC knew or suspected Savile's misdeeds but I don't see calls for the entire BBC to be held accountable for his actions.

Wrt the 'Pakistani community' none of us know if anyone else knew or not. Stop making stuff up.

In fact, we were "authoritatively" told that "everyone", including all at the BBC and the entire population of Leeds knew conclusively what Salvile was up to (not true) and also that no-one said anything to the police or other authorities (also not true).

In fact the truth is that some people knew, some of them reported what they suspected to the authorities, who then went out of their way (it appears) to avoid doing anything about it. There is a distinct sense of deja vu here, except that I can't remember any suggestion that either Savile's abuse, or the failure to investigate it when it was reported, had anything to do with an entire racial/ethnic/cultural group, every supposed member of which was apparently guilty by association.

Maybe hot air baboon can remind us of the posts he made referring to the collective guilt of the entire white/Yorkshire/"showbiz community" population in that case, just to demonstrate he's being even-handed...

 

[Citizen66]

They raped females, not males, they raped young (Very young) women, not old women, they raped White girls, they had their preference, they weren't raping at random.

Can you provide some evidence that all 1,400 victims were white please. Or are you making shit up again?

 

[ViolentPanda]

and the fact that the people who make and interpret it aren't misogynist, unlike brown people. and the swp.

How could they possibly be misogynist, when most of them are males who went to all-male public schools, and whose main interactions with females were with mater and the nanny?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm not qualified to say. I would guess that the trauma caused by the different scenarios could be very different, though, yes.

Depth and type of trauma is an issue of the victim's psyche, not the severity or type of the assault itself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why though?

Different people have different levels of coping with something. I can understand why sentencing works that way. But that wasn't what we were discussing. It was suggested that there's varying levels of rape and the sentencing guidelines back this up. But sentencing guidelines aren't tailored to the effect something has had on someone's life. Yes we can say it's worse to stalk a woman at knifepoint and drag her into a field. But that doesn't mean that forcing yourself on a woman in a comfortable surroundings somehow isn't as bad. I'm struggling to understand why people aren't getting this. Try telling a date raped woman that at least it didn't happen in a dark lane. Just wtf.

In effect, what the guidelines do (very badly) is attempt to give judges a set of "bookends" to the severity of each of a "class" of offences, when actually (as you've already gleaned) the severity of effect on the victim will differ, dependent on that victim's "level of coping". In effect, sentencing someone with regard to guidelines on putative offence severity entirely misses the point of justice - of balancing the crime and its' effects with the punishment.
Not that the criminal justice system has ever had much truck with justice.

 

[fucthest8]

We are all hot-wired for sexually attraction.

Well, this is a contender for post of the year if ever I saw one. Insightful, truthful, yet at the same time confused (hot-wired, LOL) and mis-spelt. Awesome.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

all this tells us is what anyone who reads the newspapers already knows, that judges have an unfortunately regular habit of accepting after the fact justifications for why anyone other than the rapist was responsible for the rape.

The article contains much more than the part quoted.

 

[Das Uberdog]

Can you provide some evidence that all 1,400 victims were white please. Or are you making shit up again?

this thread already covered the Rotherham abuse report's assertion that the vast majority were white, with some mixed race. allegations of abuse towards Pakistani girls hasn't come from these 'grooming gang' accusations but separately - i.e. and much of those claims have yet to be investigated.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well, this is a contender for post of the year if ever I saw one. Insightful, truthful, yet at the same time confused (hot-wired, LOL) and mis-spelt. Awesome.

There are a few contenders, tbf - 'Amazonian indians have no word for anal sex' has to be up there.

And the response to anyone questioning it - 'can you prove they do?'

 

[Das Uberdog]

5.5 In this part of the report, we have not specified the ethnicity of the victims or the perpetrators. In a large number of the historic cases in particular, most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children, and the majority of the perpetrators were from minority ethnic communities. They were described generically in the files as ‘Asian males’ without precise reference being made to their ethnicity.

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

 

[fucthest8]

There are a few contenders, tbf - 'Amazonian indians have no word for anal sex' has to be up there.

And the response to anyone questioning it - 'can you prove they do?'

Indeed, I enjoyed that exchange too. So, we've gained a couple of new trolls then? Anyway, as others have said, back to butchers post I think, excellent place to re-start, one of the smartest and most interesting things I've read on here.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh dear....Looks like there might be a flaw in your world-view. You bandy around this term 'misogyny' as if repeating it might accord it some special meaning. The truth is that the causes of this scandal are complex, but one thing is certain: if people had not been bullied and cowed by idiots like you and were able to speak openly about certain subjects, those girls would not have been victimised. The Left - people on this 'discussion' board - have had a hand in this. Most especially hysterical nitwits like yourself.

I'd venture that the twin motives of careerism and a work culture where whistleblowing is difficult-going-on-impossible despite successive legislative attempts to make it "easier" played a greater part than people being "bullied and cowed" by lefties. We're all entitled to speak openly. The issue is about courage and perseverance in the face of official indifference.

But by all means make the issue about your own political bugbears. Just don't be surprised when you're laughed at.

If you think race can be disengaged from culture, then you are an ignorant fool.

It depends entirely on the culture.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You cannot disengage race from culture. To hold that position is utterly counter-factual and idiotic. I think you know this. You have a rather sinister agenda. You spend a great deal of your time on here, which is rather sad in itself, but prompts me to ponder whether you are being paid - and if so, by whom?

Who are you serving?

Blatant projection, in my sinister Jewish opinion.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That sounds very neat and rather like something I'd read in a sociology textbook written by a 60s washed-up liberal turned thatcherite. However, my concern is with reality.

Oh look, another trope!
You've either been reading Daniel Hannan's stream-of-consciousness rants, or you actually are him. Either way, you're not overly concerned with reality, whatever you claim otherwise.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because the sexual assault of young white girls is hilarious, isn't it. OK yah? Oh jolly ha-ha. It's only the proles!

You mean "young white, mixed race and Pakistani girls and boys", surely?
You have read the Jay Report, haven't you? because not to have done so would be a mockery of the "proles" you're pretending to support and be concerned about.

 

[fucthest8]

Fascinating. So, Earendel joins in May 2013, posts for one day, then doesn't reappear until they suddenly pop up all over this thread ...

 

[Citizen66]

this thread already covered the Rotherham abuse report's assertion that the vast majority were white, with some mixed race. allegations of abuse towards Pakistani girls hasn't come from these 'grooming gang' accusations but separately - i.e. and much of those claims have yet to be investigated.

I suspect choice of victim was largely dictated by opportunity rather than 'preferences' like badly spelled moniker is suggesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh you can just predict the next thing it is after all urban. Do fuck off .Ive said all rape is wrong you utter cunt. Dont ever label me as a rape apologist

i don't need to when you do it so ably yourself.

 

[Das Uberdog]

I suspect choice of victim was largely dictated by opportunity rather than 'preferences' like badly spelled moniker is suggesting.

i agree, but it still appears that the girls abused through these organised grooming networks are by and large white. the abuse of Pakistani girls almost undoubtedly occurs but hasn't been found through the uncovering of the circles in Rotherham or Rochdale.

 

[BanCunnulingus!]

Can you provide some evidence that all 1,400 victims were white please. Or are you making shit up again?

Were they all inclusive, non-discriminatory, equal opportunity type of paedophiles then?

 

[andysays]

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

I'm sure I can't be the only one who is curious about why the race/ethnicity/whatever you want to call it of victims and perpetrators has become the dominant factor in reports (both media and official) in this case, in a way it doesn't seem to, as far as I can remember, in many other cases.

Maybe I've just forgotten the way in which the Savile/Harris/Clifford/etc cases were reported in similarly race-focussed ways, and you've got similar data from those cases which can enlighten me...

 

[ViolentPanda]

My society. The society that I grew up in. The country that I am proud of.

A question for you - one I ask everyone who asserts pride in their country: Have you served your country militarily?

The country that my ancestors helped to build.

That could make you from any country in the former British Empire.

The society that I take responsibility for.

And exactly how do you do that? Hopefully in a way more meaningful than ranting at "lefties".

You may be happy for us to become a Third World country in which white girls are used as prostitutes, but I'm not.

You prefer to use non-white prostitutes, then?
Actually, that's a bit of a right-wing trope, the "fondness for darker meat", and I'd hate to be accused of falling back on tropes, so forget I wrote that, eh?

 

[dylanredefined]

Were they all inclusive, non-discriminatory, equal opportunity type of paedophiles then?

Basically yes. Any kid deemed vulnerable was targeted. White kids got it as authority
didn't care about them ,and, Asian kids got it as they could be shamed into keeping quiet.