No, clearly she didn't. But I assume she must find him attractive for some reason, unless she married him for shits and giggles.
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No, clearly she didn't. But I assume she must find him attractive for some reason, unless she married him for shits and giggles.
I've never said "all women" want or do anything. I've made it consistently clear that I'm speaking of women in general.
For some reason the concept of generalization seems to elude many people.
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Jerry Hall comes from a certain generation though doesn't she? Wasn't she a groupie?
Do you not think that perhaps younger women Roosh's age don't need to marry up.
Perhaps that's why he's pissed? No amount of money, power or looks will make up for his shitty, unattractive personality in the long run. Cos that's not what women are actually attracted to, you know?
Do you not think that perhaps younger women Roosh's age don't need to marry up.
Perhaps that's why he's pissed? No amount of money, power or looks will make up for his shitty, unattractive personality in the long run. Cos that's not what women are actually attracted to, you know?
bimble
floofy
Which is why he's so much happier when travelling , researching his books called 'how to bang Lithuania/ Estonia etc.
I think 1-5 can indeed be explained by a single cause. A significant proportion of young men today are finding it impossible to have sex with women. A significant proportion of that significant proportion are literally driven insane by this. While such men have always existed, there are far more of them today than ever before, on account of women's unprecedented freedom to select their own sexual partners.
That much is obvious. The really interesting question you raise in number 6: the 'overlap' question. As you've said, this question demands that we look for the common factors that unite these various loonies. Personally I think it is evolutionary psychology/ sociobiology/ and the general cultural acceptance of social (and even biological) Darwinist ideas, naturally in a degraded and popularized form.
Now, if we search for a means of explaining the hold that such ideas have over this breed of nutter, I think we need to start looking at materialism in general. I think popular materialism is probably the root of all evil. If I can be bothered, I will try to explain why later.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
strangely the moment you use this generalization it vanishes like the morning mist.
I read something the other week actually regarding the links between this mindset of the MRA and the vintage nostalgia for the good old days exhibited in the entertainment industry, it's all mad men era shiz, where men were men and women were women and knew their place, that's whats been taken from that particular series, not the fact that theres a strong narrative of women in the workplace and the things women have achieved, was quite interesting tbh if yer into that kind of thing
yeh I just said that.
yeh I just said that.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think 5 & 6 are pretty closely related actually, but I await your further thoughts on popular materialism with interest.
I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the 'quasi-magical' bit of 2 though. I figured that would be right up your alley ... metaphysically.
bimble
floofy
One thing that's true is that in places where the ratio of males to females is skewed (by people killing off baby daughters usually) - an increased level of violence against women usually follows. But if this 'significant proportion of young men' in the USA / uk are finding it impossible to get laid.. Why are you so quick to join Roosh in blaming this on women. Ffs.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yep, that's unfair. I think men getting involved and pulling up other men on their sexism is important. But of course yes, actions are even better.
I've got a male friend for instance who works in the tech industry (computer programmer) who genuinely cares about making that sector a less male dominated place. He does practical things to try to push that agenda forward. Also gives away to charity the percentage of his salary that's the average difference between what men and women earn in his sort of position. Just saying, Not all feminist men are trilby hat wearing arseholes who are just pretending to agree with you cos they think maybe then you'll sleep with them.
Yes I agree
Yes, I was about to go into that, but then I decided to do some work instead. But on reflection I have decided that this is more interesting.
Magical thinking is indeed a notable feature of twenty-first century psychology, as also of the twenty-first century economy. Our society is built on the assumption that signs, such as money, can do things, and that they are ontologically real. That's magical thinking.
So it makes sense that people raised under such assumptions would believe that reciting certain formulaic phrases will achieve certain objective results. Hence the credence that the credulous give to snake-oil salesmen like Roosh, who claim to teach them the magic words and behaviors that will magically make women want to have sex with them.
Or is that not what you meant by "quasi-magical?"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
here we go again
Some more red pill philosophy:
Women in Love
"Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved."
Women in Love
"Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved."
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yeah sort of ..
Although I think the interesting bit is how that relates to some of the other characteristics:
Depersonalising women, pack behaviours, self-selecting 'tribes', identitarian conspiracy theories etc.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
How do you explain Elizabeth Taylor marrying her builder?
thats cus man has been socialised to have unrealistic expectations
I've no idea how you could get that from my posts. Obviously it's a Good Thing that women are free to pursue their sexual desires. The people deserving of blame are those who exploit this situation for profit by preying on the "incels."
bimble
floofy
No no, it's all because hypergamy. That word appears in there about 10 times, to explain why women are so disappointing.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Aye, and wasn't Germaine Greer married to a brickie, or something?
Hmm. Just thinking out loud here...
First, the depersonalization of women is hardly unique to the twenty-first century.
The other three phenomena you mention here are facilitated by the internet (obviously), but I'd be reluctant to say that they're caused by the internet. They're irrational behaviors, so they must be connected to the general decline of reason, which in my view is caused by popular materialism--since popular materialism inculcates the idea that people are mere bodies, driven by purely physical instincts. I think that's how most people conceive of themselves today.
Reason, traditionally located in the soul, has no place in such a self-conception. Thus people not only disregard reason (which they've always done), they think that reason should be disregarded. So they feel themselves at liberty to indulge in irrational behaviors such as those you mention here. Or something. Your thoughts?
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
Apart from anything else, the idea phil & Roosh keep doggedly pushing, that "more young men than ever before" are now experiencing involuntary celibacy in the modern West is just DEMONSTRABLY NOT TRUE. all surveys about sexual activity, frequency and partner numbers among teenagers and young people prove this even if we're just talking about the current situation.
And do they seriously believe that more young men today are getting no sex than in the Victorian era? than in slavery times? than in ancient Egypt? than in medieval knightly Europe? than in caste-ridden Rajasthan? It's not just ahistorical, it's not just factually incorrect, it's not just laughably silly - it's a direct inversion of the actual truth - namely that MORE YOUNG MEN THAN EVER in the modern West are having sex, outside the bounds of marriage, than ever before. And that freedom and EXPANSION of sexual opportunity for young men is at root a (beautiful and positive) upshot of the previously very rare achievements of feminism - women being able to earn their own livings, therefore divorce sexual choice from economic necessity more, and therefore not being ashamed of being 'ruined' for marriage. If I were a young man today I'd be thanking dog for feminism as the one thing which had most improved my chances of getting any. Truly the MRAs live in a looking-glass world.
And do they seriously believe that more young men today are getting no sex than in the Victorian era? than in slavery times? than in ancient Egypt? than in medieval knightly Europe? than in caste-ridden Rajasthan? It's not just ahistorical, it's not just factually incorrect, it's not just laughably silly - it's a direct inversion of the actual truth - namely that MORE YOUNG MEN THAN EVER in the modern West are having sex, outside the bounds of marriage, than ever before. And that freedom and EXPANSION of sexual opportunity for young men is at root a (beautiful and positive) upshot of the previously very rare achievements of feminism - women being able to earn their own livings, therefore divorce sexual choice from economic necessity more, and therefore not being ashamed of being 'ruined' for marriage. If I were a young man today I'd be thanking dog for feminism as the one thing which had most improved my chances of getting any. Truly the MRAs live in a looking-glass world.
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they need to perpetuate that lie to make money and create rapists and to justify their own shitty behaviour to their own self, so they can sleep at night.
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This is quite a good piece on Warren Farrell, who could be considered one of the early founders, as well as the modern groups: Mad Men: Inside the Men's Rights Movement—and the Army of Misogynists and Trolls It Spawned | Mother Jones
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