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Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

editor said:
You might be surprised what 'reasonable posters' with good memories might think of you, fela.

I suspect it's not going to match your own self image.

I've no idea, and nor does it matter. I have to assume you mean they have a negative memory. In any case i'm not here on some kind of popularity mission, i'm just here doing what you presumably set these boards up for. Spouting my tuppence worth.

But if i go back to the time of the tsunami i recall you amongst many posters who expressed concerned about my whereabouts at the time on various posts. So what you're saying here doesn't really ring true, unless your concern was not sincere.

Lastly. only i can know what my self image is by the very nature of the meaning of this term. How on earth could you know unless you're in my mind?
 
editor said:
In most of those threads, the pro-conspiracy posters have often been one of the biggest - if not the biggest - contributors.

You keep trotting out this lazy bullshit that (guffaw) 'truthseekers' are somehow given an unfair ride on urban, but the truth is that they stand (and inevitably fall) on the strengths of their arguments, just like anyone else.

It's most likely that you are the biggest contributor to these threads.

I have not once 'trotted out' anything about 'truthseekers', this is just your own tosh you like to put into people's mouths. I'm only talking for myself and any other people who want answers to so many dodgy aspects about the events, and who have expressed the belief that complicity is more than a possibility, ie who suspect that this was the case.
 
fela fan said:
I'm only talking for myself and any other people who want answers to so many dodgy aspects about the events, and who have expressed the belief that complicity is more than a possibility, ie who suspect that this was the case.

And in what way then are you not a conspiracy theorist?
 
butchersapron said:
Oh quite, we so rarely see you on thread such as this.

And last week Chomsky was the only thing causing any doubts in your mind that 911 was a conspiracy - util you built yourself a trap out of your assumptions of what he's believe that i happily pushed you into and suddenly Chomsky was some sort of idiot. Suprising that eh?

It's pretty difficult to make any sense out of this post. Firstly there are too many actual language problems, and also because it seems your memory and your perceptions of me are somewhat mixed up and confused.

Chomsky has caused no such doubts in my mind. I merely expressed a surprise about chomsky's views on the events. I've made no assumptions.

I built no trap, you manufactured it in your own mind. I have great respect for many things chomsky has written, and don't consider him an idiot or a hero.

Get a bloody grip man.
 
Roadkill said:
Genuine, non-paranoid scepticism about the 'official version' tends to get squeezed out.
It is the same with so much "criticism" of officialdom. The critics over-egg the pudding so much that the genuine points are lost in the blizzard of shite. And even when officialdom does recognise that there is a valid point, the blizzard of shite gives them plenty of opportunity to obfuscate or ignore.

Why is it that so few of those who put themselves forward as campaigners for some or other cause seem to have understood the parable of the little boy who cried wolf ... :confused:
 
butchersapron said:
And in what way then are you not a conspiracy theorist?

In every way.

I have nothing to do with conspiracies, how can i, i neither hold power or want it.

Furthermore my interest in 911 lies in the dodgy stuff surrounding the events, not in any theories. I have no time for theories or conspiracies, complete waste of time in my life to worry about such stuff.

That is an emphatic nothing to do with them at all. But you seem to have serious problems accepting what i tell you. You've even blatantly called me a liar before, so no worries, you either believe what i say about myself or you believe i'm a liar. Your call mate, nothing to do with me.
 
You honestly can't follow a stright line from one of your posts to the next can you?

fela said:
He really is a top class commentator on american foreign policy and i always found it one of my doubts about what happened being that chomsky had never intimated that it could have been something to do with an inside story.

This is when you assumed that he agreed with you, when i poointed out that no, on the contrary he attacks you and people like you, suddenly:

Either way, i have more regard for my own thinking than chomsky's.

And this morning for example - you claim not to be a conspiracy theorist in one post then in the next you say that you believe the US was complicit in the 911 attacks. All in the space of about 15 minutes.
 
editor said:
Let's put that claim to the test on this thread:
Whoops! Wrong again, fela!

I said this: "It's most likely that you are the biggest contributor to these threads."

Most likely.

these threads.

Whoops! Your reading skills, or lack of them, exposed again editor!

And anyway, of the six posters, how many of them are 'pro-conspiracy posters'? These were your words to describe the heaviest contributors. Since you want to suddenly concentrate on just this thread, go on, tell us mate, how many?
 
fela fan said:
In every way.

I have nothing to do with conspiracies, how can i, i neither hold power or want it.

Furthermore my interest in 911 lies in the dodgy stuff surrounding the events, not in any theories. I have no time for theories or conspiracies, complete waste of time in my life to worry about such stuff.

That is an emphatic nothing to do with them at all. But you seem to have serious problems accepting what i tell you. You've even blatantly called me a liar before, so no worries, you either believe what i say about myself or you believe i'm a liar. Your call mate, nothing to do with me.

That's a very odd and peculiar definition of conspiracy theorist there fela - i'd go as far as to say that it's unique to you. Conspiracy theorists are those who carry out conspiracies. :D You're the living definition of a conspiracy theorist i'm afraid.

I believe that you're liar and deluded as well for the record as you seem to want an answer.
 
butchersapron said:
You honestly can't follow a stright line from one of your posts to the next can you?



This is when you assumed that he agreed with you, when i poointed out that no, on the contrary he attacks you and people like you, suddenly:



And this morning for example - you claim not to be a conspiracy theorist in one post then in the next you say that you believe the US was complicit in the 911 attacks. All in the space of about 15 minutes.

Another post full of your interpretations posited as facts. You cannot distinguish between what i might believe or think and what your perceptions are of what i believe and think.

I don't claim anything by the way.

Now just be satisfied with yourself that you take me to be a liar and leave it at that. How do you expect to have a decent debate with who you feel to be a liar? Why do you bother?
 
butchersapron said:
I believe that you're liar and deluded as well for the record as you seem to want an answer.

:D

You're funny mate. If you wish to lay any kind of claim to intelligence you'd never succumb to such judgements on a person you know just about nothing of. Since i'm a completely rational and truthful person your beliefs are spectacularly wrong.

But interestingly you've made the age-old error of judging the debaters, not debating the subject matter. Again.
 
We don't expect to have a decent debate with you Fela - that's why folks get so frustrated with your inane contributions. You're a pompous, deluded numpty who can't hold together a coherent argument for toffee.
 
That's not an error fela, that's a sensible thing to do and one of the reasons that i'm not as gullible as you and your conspiracy theorist mates - a shocking lack of a important critical faculty on your part - it's why you lot are taken in by duff sources time and time over.
 
fela fan said:
Now just be satisfied with yourself that you take me to be a liar and leave it at that. How do you expect to have a decent debate with who you feel to be a liar? Why do you bother?

I don't expect to have a decent debate with you fela, no one does anymore. Why do i bother? I like to see what knots you can tie yourself in now and again and what heights of slef-deluding gibberish you can reach.
 
butchersapron said:
That's not an error fela, that's a sensible thing to do and one of the reasons that i'm not as gullible as you and your conspiracy theorist mates - a shocking lack of a important critical faculty on your part - it's why you lot are taken in by duff sources time and time over.

Whatever you say i am butchers, i am. It's your perception, your reality, your world.
 
butchersapron said:
I don't expect to have a decent debate with you fela, no one does anymore. Why do i bother? I like to see what knots you can tie yourself in now and again and what heights of slef-deluding gibberish you can reach.

Well, i've often suspected this, in which case you're a bit of a sad fucker if that's your kicks in life. Ta ra mate.
 
fela fan said:
How long did it take for them to hear though bob? And you'll know the answer i presume since you have read up on it.
Of course i fucking read up on it, even if i hadn't the answers are easy to find.
0813 AA11 is hijacked. Short after its transponder is turned off

0820 AA11 turns off its IFF (Identify Friend-or-Foe) beacon and begins deviating from its scheduled flight path

0824 AA11 makes a 100 degree turn and heads for New York City

0837 Boston Centre notifies NEADS of the hijacking of AA11 and requests an aircraft scramble. This is the first incident of the morning.

0844 Despite having no coordinates for intercept, NEADS decide to launch the Otis aircraft anyway.
Timeline carefully reproduced by 8den here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=6315898&postcount=128
 
fela fan said:
So your source is some character on urban is it?
No his source is a a carefully produced post that uses the available information that has not been contradicted by anyone. There's no point in duplicating the work when it is freely available.
 
fela fan said:
So your source is some character on urban is it?

Actually fucknuts it's sourced it from a Vanity Fair article on the NORAD tapes.

But hey folks didn't he do well. Now why don't you give a wave to the folks playing at home...
 
editor said:
*Three seconds research later:

No. The original is from here:
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=NORAD

Be sure to offer your critique and highlight the damning flaws.

On what basis do you decide that this particular website is able to provide you with facts that you are so freely able to accept on their say so? You are so quick to deride certain sites, so i'm wondering what factors you require that allow you to decide a site so able to present facts for you.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Jesus, it really is too easy , isn't it? :D

Come on conspiraloons, at least try and make it a wee bit difficult to show what twats you are :D

And you too seem easily persuaded to believe whatever this particular website posts up. How have you decided upon their ability to present facts? You weren't there, you have no experience of that day, how do you decide what to believe and what not to believe?

I note that, despite many times me telling you i'm nothing to do with all that stupid terminology of CTers that you continue to label me as a conspiraloon. Shame on you. Your ability to believe what you want to believe is exactly the same charge you level at others.
 
fela fan said:
On what basis do you decide that this particular website is able to provide you with facts that you are so freely able to accept on their say so? You are so quick to deride certain sites, so i'm wondering what factors you require that allow you to decide a site so able to present facts for you.
Are you going to offer your critique and highlight the damning flaws in that article or not?
 
8den said:
Actually fucknuts it's sourced it from a Vanity Fair article on the NORAD tapes.

I don't think you need to address people in such impolite terms.

Tell me why you are able to accept what vanity fair say as being factually correct. You too are appearing to accept certain sources as some kind of authority on the truth.

Are you always so easily persuaded by other media?
 
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