goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
fela fan said:
I thought you were a bit of an expert in the language department. Ah, I see your point.
Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
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I thought you were a bit of an expert in the language department. Ah, I see your point.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Is there anything in this thread worth reading, or is it the same load of bollocks as usual?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Mostly me ranting and then fela crowing about, well, i'm not sure, but he's happy.beesonthewhatnow said:
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
What made me start to question the Official coincidence / conspiracy theory was the NORAD stand down.
Those planes were hijacked in probably the most protected air space on earth.
Those planes were hijacked in probably the most protected air space on earth.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Another reason not to believe the 911 Omission report: It was published by the US establishment. LOL - who in their right mind takes those loons at face value?
NB: Bush and Cheney REFUSED to give testimony on oath or in public. They only agreed to speak to the panel in private and together. Wonder who did the talking - slick dick, the real president and the man who organised the military exercises that made NORAD so imcompetent.
NB: Bush and Cheney REFUSED to give testimony on oath or in public. They only agreed to speak to the panel in private and together. Wonder who did the talking - slick dick, the real president and the man who organised the military exercises that made NORAD so imcompetent.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Do you want to make me to link to the fucking post where I posted the transcript of NORAD and FAA Air Traffic Controls
THERE WAS NO FUCKING STAND DOWN
In a best case scenario NORAD scrambled planes in 90 minutes. All the jets had hit the target before NORAD was aware they were hijacked.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This is very good. Quite dry, but an analyis of the Warren / Zarkow omission.
http://video.google.com/videopopup?...+and+Distortions+-+Google+Video+-+Full+Screen
Bloody hell, sorry for the long link there :-0
Editor / 8aden
The most advanced military in the world failed to deal with these hijacks in the most protected airspace in the world. Something fucked up very badly and uniquely. Oh sure, there were those exercises organised by Cheney. Are you going to deny any of this in extra big fonts?
It astounds me that some of the last people to believe a word of what the US administration says are so adept in defending the highly doubtful official version of events.
Do you guys still believe in the JFK magic bullet as well?
http://video.google.com/videopopup?...+and+Distortions+-+Google+Video+-+Full+Screen
Bloody hell, sorry for the long link there :-0
Editor / 8aden
The most advanced military in the world failed to deal with these hijacks in the most protected airspace in the world. Something fucked up very badly and uniquely. Oh sure, there were those exercises organised by Cheney. Are you going to deny any of this in extra big fonts?
It astounds me that some of the last people to believe a word of what the US administration says are so adept in defending the highly doubtful official version of events.
Do you guys still believe in the JFK magic bullet as well?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
8den said:
90 minutes is truly pathetic and very very weird. Do you not find that in the slightest bit weird? It certainly aint standard practice. Standard practice is to scramble pretty much immediately, but you bring out the big type for people who think an hour and a half is worth having a look at?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Why did the head of Pakistan ISI order $100000 wired to Atta shortly before 911? Why was he in the US before hand?
Why then did the omission "find no evidence of foreign government involvement"?
Oh, it's all a conspiracy theory innit? these documentable facts are all just made up by lizard obsessed loons, natch. And the US establishment would never ever lie or deceive anyone, theres just no evidence of that.
Why then did the omission "find no evidence of foreign government involvement"?
Oh, it's all a conspiracy theory innit? these documentable facts are all just made up by lizard obsessed loons, natch. And the US establishment would never ever lie or deceive anyone, theres just no evidence of that.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Christ you're an idiot. They did scramble as soon as they heard. You haven't even fucking tried to read up on this have you?taffboy gwyrdd said:
You might think i'm being harsh but you're talking utter shite. NORAD never shut down, they did not wait 90 minutes to send up planes, you haven't got a clue what standard practice is but despite all of this you're making statements that it's pathetic and very very wierd. You take the piss out of us saying the "facts" are made up. THESE ONES ARE FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You're an idiot.taffboy gwyrdd said:
Have a nice day
I haven't read this whole thread, but one question occurs to me straight off. Does anyone not think that there are holes in the official account of 9/11 - i.e. does anyone think we've been told the whole truth? I certainly don't.
Problem is, the conspiracy theorists are so busy looking for lizards that they're not interested in the catalogue of incompetence, arse-covering and buck-passing that doubtless accounts for some - or all - of what doesn't look right. Cock-up is generally more probable than conspiracy, and for those in power just as necessary to cover up.
Seems to me that these threads often become polarised between those who automatically assume that there's a conspiracy, and those who feel obliged to combat their silly theories. Genuine, non-paranoid scepticism about the 'official version' tends to get squeezed out.
Problem is, the conspiracy theorists are so busy looking for lizards that they're not interested in the catalogue of incompetence, arse-covering and buck-passing that doubtless accounts for some - or all - of what doesn't look right. Cock-up is generally more probable than conspiracy, and for those in power just as necessary to cover up.
Seems to me that these threads often become polarised between those who automatically assume that there's a conspiracy, and those who feel obliged to combat their silly theories. Genuine, non-paranoid scepticism about the 'official version' tends to get squeezed out.
editor
hiraethified
You've been brainwashed into the Kult of 911. Why else would you willfully ignore everything that doesn't fit your exciting theories and keep asking questions that have been answered in full many, many, many times.taffboy gwyrdd said:
Just because You Want To Believe, that doesn't mean you're right.
Roadkill said:
Yeah but mate, it's just so fashionable on urban (and of course elsewhere) to blame 'conspiracy theorists', don't get sucked into that. How can it be their fault that in a supposed democracy we can't get answers to all the dodgy things that went on before, during, and after the events of that september morning?
Anyone who gets sucked into the whole lexicon that goes with 'conspiracy theorist' is doing the unwitting bidding of those in power that have thus far got away with either complicity or the most dreadful and staggering incompetence. Ironically such people actually blame those they refer to sneeringly as 'CTers' instead of seeing the role they are playing in this whole charade.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maybe the loons, in order to stop this ridiculous circle of nutter claims being dispatched then brought back up a few weeks later by another one could put their heads together and elect a single poster to represent them, someone whose fully up on all the facts, someone whose done the background research, who is erudite and articulate and commands the respect of all involved in these debates. Any suggestions?
Yes fela, but my point is that the people who propound vast and improbable conspiracies of commission (as opposed to of omission) are looking in all the wrong places for answers, and in the process drowning out the people with genuine questions about what was not done that might have averted disaster, and whether that was through incompetence, or possibly (and only possibly: IMO it's very unlikely) something more sinister.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
fela fan said:
People blame you for doing exactly what you're supposed to - misdirect critical enquiry away from real ongoing political conspiracies. That's what your hero Chomsky argues and i agree fully with him. You are the ones helping those who take part in conspiracies, they pull your chains 24-7 and you can't get enouigh of it.
butchersapron said:
Don't bring me into this. I'm nothing to do with conspiracies and have no time for them at all. No-one pulls my chain, and you're talking through your arse by saying that i 'can't get enouigh of it'.
Oh, and to add, chomsky is no hero of mine.
Either your memory is getting confused mate, or you're being rather underhand about things here.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And, lets not forget, you have nothing to do with facts either.fela fan said:
Roadkill said:
Well look mate, firstly there are people who propound conspiracies, but here on urban it's always made out as if they're in huge numbers. There seems a need to engage in exaggeration.
Secondly i have been on these debates for five years on urban, and initially put a lot of time and effort into contributing. Always to find the threads binned or vaporised. So in many ways i, and others, would always get drowned out by those shouting 'CTers', before finding the whole thing gone from the boards.
And i'll conclude for the minute by saying that here on urban anybody who simply indicates they believe there may have been complicity, gets branded by the CT lexicon. And it's this blanket wiping out of debate by this branding that i was referring to in my post just now to you.
editor said:
I trust you are agreeing with the sentiments butchers is posting there, not their applicability to me. You of all people should know my history of posting on theses threads, you've been involved in every single one that i have.
And what butchers describes in no way can be attributed to me. Any reasonable poster who's been around on these threads will know that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
editor said:
It wouldn't even matter so much if it was only them that was being effected, but i'm sorry to say that they're casting a very long and a very damaging shadow over everyone else engaged in any oppositional activity as well.
editor
hiraethified
How do you 'wipe out' a debate when there's been endless open discussions of every aspect of 9/11, with threads running into thousands of posts?fela fan said:
In most of those threads, the pro-conspiracy posters have often been one of the biggest - if not the biggest - contributors.
You keep trotting out this lazy bullshit that (guffaw) 'truthseekers' are somehow given an unfair ride on urban, but the truth is that they stand (and inevitably fall) on the strengths of their arguments, just like anyone else.
And if they keep mindlessly repeating the same flawed arguments from dodgy sources, it's no wonder people start treating them with rightly earned scorn.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
fela fan said:
Oh quite, we so rarely see you on thread such as this.
And last week Chomsky was the only thing causing any doubts in your mind that 911 was a conspiracy - util you built yourself a trap out of your assumptions of what he's believe that i happily pushed you into and suddenly Chomsky was some sort of idiot. Suprising that eh?
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