riots in paris banlieu...

[nino_savatte]

I know about the US, I don't know enough about the French system to understand why these people have no elected representatives, if that is the case.

Thanks for that admission mears and finally you have admitted that you know nothing of other countries.

 

[nino_savatte]

The the argument that Powell or Rice are an advancement for black people is a bloody stupid one.

Your ruler may share the same colour as you but he is still your ruler. A black person is no better off being ruled by a black person that he is being ruled by a white person.

Exactly and while Powell and Rice are visible examples of American 'progress' the hidden poverty of the majority of blacks was revealed by Hurricane Katrina. Powell and Rice are the exceptions not the rule.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well maybe black people take a different view. Maybe we will see if Rice runs for President some day.

Your second paragraph is perfect however.

How many black people do you know? I'll bet you don't know any personally.

 

[nino_savatte]

It could be France's strong socialist values as the underlying cause of these disaffected youth.

How did you reach that conclusion? No, don't tell me, your Leaders told you.

 

[Treacle Toes]

RACAILLE

in the french larousse dictionary, i have it in front of me, frances most respected dictionary (i think), this word is described as:

population meprisable, rebut de la societe.

which translates (according to google translator) as:

population meprisable, scum of society

my old man translated rebut de la societe as rejects of society.

one way or the other. this is fucking strong language. its not the language of a statesman. its not the language one would use speak of ones own people. its not fucking on frankly.

Mmmmmmmmmmm well that would do it then......insult to injury refering to them as societies rejects....the unwanted, I mean they already knew that, rubbing their face in it!.....Nice!

 

[Christian Man]

How did you reach that conclusion?

Because France is known for it's socialist values, they may not be as rabid as Sweden's, but they are nonetheless embedded in French society.

 

[Idris2002]

The French political and business elite certainly have statist values, but to argue that France is a socialist country because of that simply betrays the usual American ignorance of what socialism actually is.

 

[nino_savatte]

Because France is known for it's socialist values, they may not be as rabid as Sweden's, but they are nonetheless embedded in French society.

Please see Idris's post. You obviously know nothing about France or its politics. In fact, you wouldn't know socialism if it came up and smashed you in the face.

So, care to tell me how 'socialism' has led to this? Here's another question: was De Gaulle a socialist?

 

[Idris2002]

In fact, you wouldn't know socialism if it came up and smashed you in the face.

Is that what you call the revolutionary justice of the people?

Oh and to describe anything about Sweden as 'rabid' - that has to be one of the best jokes ever on these wee boards.

 

[kyser_soze]

The French political and business elite certainly have statist values, but to argue that France is a socialist country because of that simply betrays the usual American ignorance of what socialism actually is.

Le Exception Francais applies to the French version of socialisme as well...

Maybe I'm way off beam, but when I studied French government my tutor said the best way to look at it is to start with the conception of the State that France has an fit yer other political ideologies/ideal/policies etc around that, because whether 'right' or 'left' both sides are commited to the State and the Republic as the anchors of government and people.

 

[nino_savatte]

Is that what you call the revolutionary justice of the people?

Oh and to describe anything about Sweden as 'rabid' - that has to be one of the best jokes ever on these wee boards.

Wot? No smiley? You cheeky monkey!

I never described Sweden as "rabid", that was Xtian Man, not me.

 

[Idris2002]

Le Exception Francais applies to the French version of socialisme as well...

Maybe I'm way off beam, but when I studied French government my tutor said the best way to look at it is to start with the conception of the State that France has an fit yer other political ideologies/ideal/policies etc around that, because whether 'right' or 'left' both sides are commited to the State and the Republic as the anchors of government and people.

You'd know more about this one than me, but the impression I get is that while the starting point of Anglo-Saxon liberalism is the rights of the (white, male, property-owning) individual, the French republican tradition is much more concerned with balancing the rights of the individual with his/her duties to the state. Or have I got that wrong? Under the Code Napoleon, for example, there's no presumption of innocence, right?

 

[Idris2002]

Wot? No smiley? You cheeky monkey!

I never described Sweden as "rabid", that was Xtian Man, not me.

I wasn't joking about the justice.

That was obviously aimed at Xtian Nutter, as well.

 

[kyser_soze]

You'd know more about this one than me, but the impression I get is that while the starting point of Anglo-Saxon liberalism is the rights of the (white, male, property-owning) individual, the French republican tradition is much more concerned with balancing the rights of the individual with his/her duties to the state. Or have I got that wrong? Under the Code Napoleon, for example, there's no presumption of innocence, right?

Not too sure about the Code Napoleon, but yeah, the rest sounds about right. It's why when a Frenchman talks about the balance of rights and duties it's with more credibility than someone from the UK/US.

Having said that anyone please feel free to correct me cos it's been about 12 years since I studied this...

 

[Idris2002]

Well it's twenty years since my French teacher said in France you're not innocent until proven guilty. . .

 

[nino_savatte]

I wasn't joking about the justice.

That was obviously aimed at Xtian Nutter, as well.

I was speaking figuratively. I could have said "you wouldn't recognise socialism if you tripped over it" but decided upon something more, shall we say, dramatic.

 

[Idris2002]

At least our common dislike of 'Christian Man' brings us together. How long do you think it'll be before he posts that t-shirt?

 

[Phototropic]

How long do you think it'll be before he posts that t-shirt?

God I am getting images of the Monty Python Spanish Inquistion sketch

 

[Isambard]

they may not be as rabid as Sweden's

That's the Sweden that has been dismatling the welfare state and has multi national companies eg Erriksson, Vatenfall ist it?

 

[soulman]

Only clever people believe in your ideology?

What ideology?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Not too sure about the Code Napoleon, but yeah, the rest sounds about right. It's why when a Frenchman talks about the balance of rights and duties it's with more credibility than someone from the UK/US.

Having said that anyone please feel free to correct me cos it's been about 12 years since I studied this...

class i can work out how old you are now kaiser

 

[kyser_soze]

I'm 32. You knew that anyway you young whelp!

 

[Taxamo Welf]

but with all that expensive moisturiser you long half that kaiser

 

[Sorry.]

Ligue Communiste Revolutionnaire Statement

Resist the curfew

The decisions announced by Mr de Villepin [Prime Minister], yesterday evening on TF1 [TV channel], are unacceptable. Instead of responding to the social crisis, he is reviving a law dating from the colonial era, the Algerian war giving to local authorities the power to decree a curfew in all or part of a local area and to suspend a number of freedoms. Already, E Raoult, mayor of Raincy * a town with 2.6% social
housing * acting as the pilot fish of repression, has taken the initiative and instituted such a measure in his town. Moreover, the LCR calls for resistance to the curfew, by demonstrating in boroughs and local areas, at night if necessary, whereever it is instated by the local authority. The LCR calls on all left-wing and democratic organisations to come together and organise such demonstrations.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Your post that provoked this response said 'the estates ain't that bad blah blah blah'.....as if they should be happy with them...ffs do you live there? how do you know how bad it is to live there?.....Any experience yourself of living on these kinds of estates and the crap that comes along with that?

I live on a council estate with a reputation and other neighbouring estates do have a certain reputation, too. personally, I am glad to have a roof over my head.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Words can have more than one meaning...Language evolves and takes on new meaning.... could that be the case here?

the answer is no.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

no they have the vote.

only if they've acquired french nationality or are born french. there appears to be a debate at the moment on allowing non EU citizens the right to vote in local elections, so parliamentary elections are probably a long way away.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Nearly effortless, I have enough material in my garage and home for 75 petrol bombs, and this does not include the petrol in the car which my wife has taken to work.

tobyjug the terrorist....

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Stuff like what, it is standard resistance handbook, in the event of invasion instructions not a state secret.

it's 28 days inside for you, young man, without charge.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Yves Bot said he had detected an organized hand and a strategy behind the riots.

Could that be the organized hand of the French state, I wonder?

the organised hand of conspiracy loons, perhaps?