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Sue said:
Anyone hear the interview with Le Pen on the Today programme this morning...? Apparently the only racism that's been displayed is towards French people, anyone causing trouble should be shipped back to where they -- or, if French citizens, where their grandparents -- came from, the people involved are all dealing drugs and driving round in big fancy cars and a lot more along similar lines. Why the fuck is the BBC giving him airtime?

I was half asleep at the time, so I did not get to listen properly, but he claimed not to have "a single racist bone in his body". my arse.
 
Idris2002 said:
Well it's twenty years since my French teacher said in France you're not innocent until proven guilty. . .

in practical terms, whatever is or is not said in the code napoleon, it's true. banged up in prison for possibly years, while the instructing judge is investigating.
 
guinnessdrinker said:
tobyjug the terrorist....


That is a very precise example of how the search for terrorists in Britain is going to catch the wrong people.
Do not equate the knowledge of how to be a terrorist with actually being one.
I don't know a male in my age group who doesn't know how to make various what could be termed terrorist devices.
 
Idris2002 said:
You'd know more about this one than me, but the impression I get is that while the starting point of Anglo-Saxon liberalism is the rights of the (white, male, property-owning) individual, the French republican tradition is much more concerned with balancing the rights of the individual with his/her duties to the state. Or have I got that wrong? Under the Code Napoleon, for example, there's no presumption of innocence, right?
Kyser has it about right there. The ideals of the French Republic freedom, equalness, and brotherhood and liberty run deep.

The need to prove innocence once charged is the norm in Continental Europe, so is a requirement for the Police to pursue evidence of innocence as hard of that of guilt. At the moment, in practice, I'd prefer to be up in front of the Continental system than the Anglo one.
 
L'Humanité reports from Clichy-sous-Bois and Aulnay-sous-Bois

These fires in the suburbs were just waiting to be set. Nicolas Sarkozy blew on the coals. His provocations awakened the memory of years of frustration, of more or less contained rage. There was this week of violence, which is unacceptable. But over and beyond this, there is a generalized feeling of having supported too much injustice. A packet of neighborhoods where the law has been social exclusion, discrimination, misery, as much economic as cultural.

It is not by chance that all this takes place in Clichy-sous-Bois. This little city of 28,000 inhabitants, with its ordinary poverty and an astronomical unemployment rate, its buildings shamefully degraded, its public services bled to death. Clichy-sous-Bois, the cradle of the rebellion, remains a model of the pauperized community where the youth is disqualified in advance, stigmatized in the press when it is not directly labelled "scum" by a government minister in his perpetual electoral campaign.

Oppose the state of emergency in France!
 
Christian Man said:
Slavery, racism, prejudice, colonialism, discrimination.

Where's the dividing line then? Nearly everyone in the world has a claim for repartions for at least one of those things you have listed.

What we going to do? Bankrupt everyone in the world on past greivances?

What are you getting at?

Why are you posting up some crappy link?
 
This reparations topic is getting hotter and hotter each year and soon the west is going to have to face the case of reparations for slavery, colonialism, segregation, racism, prejudice, hangings, etc. If it bankrupts a few people so what atleast the West can get these injustices off their back right. All this has been over money and it's still about money so whats wrong with giving a little back.
 
Christian Man said:
This reparations topic is getting hotter and hotter each year and soon the west is going to have to face the case of reparations for slavery, colonialism, segregation, racism, prejudice, hangings, etc. If it bankrupts a few people so what atleast the West can get these injustices off their back right. All this has been over money and it's still about money so whats wrong with giving a little back.

Er this thread is about the riots in France (that's the in the area called Europe, you'll find it too the East of where you are, North of the Middle East and West of Russia). If you want to start a thread on the idiocy of reparations claims how about you toddle off and start a thread about it.
 
I think you are trying to dissuade this topic off the topic of justice. The rioters have been wronged by not having access to jobs and therefore money. It's like stealing, the west is the richest, including France, so they should give reparations. Why not? I think it would stop the rioting...businesses might actually make more then they lose with these reparations.
 
Phototropic said:
Er this thread is about the riots in France (that's the in the area called Europe, you'll find it too the East of where you are, North of the Middle East and West of Russia). If you want to start a thread on the idiocy of reparations claims how about you toddle off and start a thread about it.

Seconded.
 
Christian Man said:
I think you are trying to dissuade this topic off the topic of justice. The rioters have been wronged by not having access to jobs and therefore money. It's like stealing, the west is the richest, including France, so they should give reparations. Why not? I think it would stop the rioting...businesses might actually make more then they lose with these reparations.


Yeah your right sorry. I propese a check of £1000 to all darkies. That'll solve everything.
 
Ok, answer me this, do you think the rioters would take reparations payments to stop rioting? Would it be worth it? These riots are about money so lets talk about money.
 
Christian Man said:
Don't you think that is a little low considering...

What about £20k per victim

yeah sorry £20,000 grand for each darkie. I think we should also have a colour tyest sytem like south africa. If you are a bit chocolate £12,000. If you you look proper obsidean £30,000.
 
Phototropic said:
In this world of stereotypes one might think you'd want to not contiue the stereotype of the typical Yank.

Well, the typical rioter in France is rioting because of lack of money so don't be a typical liberal and stick your head in the sand.
 
Phototropic said:
yeah sorry £20,000 grand for each darkie. I think we should also have a colour tyest sytem like south africa. If you are a bit chocolate £12,000. If you you look proper obsidean £30,000.

Interesting, do you have any good links on this test? never heard of it...
 
Phototropic said:
yeah sorry £20,000 grand for each darkie. I think we should also have a colour tyest sytem like south africa. If you are a bit chocolate £12,000. If you you look proper obsidean £30,000.

In the name of racial equality it's only fair this exam is taken at the end of summer so we can all get ours tans up. Or possibly pay for one tanning session get 10k from the French.
 
Phototropic said:
No, no, no. Too complex. We want something nice and simple.

Yeah right, easily done and done en mass these days.

Let's try to get back to justice here. What do you think the west could afford? Maybe £30k each...how much would that be, Britain alone rakes in billions and billions each year...
 
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