Are we not allowed to grow and change then? When was the last time I’ve committed these sins?
Paris burns after police murder youth
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maomao
普費斯
Yesterday, by denying the existence of economic class as a meaningful category then giving it the 'coal face' bollocks like you're the only fucker that's ever had a job. Growing and changing encouraged but yet to be seen.
Where did I deny economic class as a meaningful category?
And I apologise for the rest but I think your annoyance is coloured by your opinion of me rather than what I was actually saying.
maomao
普費斯
I'm not annoyed though. I'm just talking bollocks on the internet like everybody else.
Do you know what the term ‘coal face’ means, given you’re quoting it?
maomao
普費斯
Yes. Do you?
No. It means those doing the work, in any industry, as opposed to those discussing it.
No. I was trying to explain why people on building sites working through agencies are self employed. Other people who haven’t worked on building sites were disagreeing with me.Yes, to show how working class we are
Anyway, I’m not interested in continuing this discussion. Not the right thread for it.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Do they not generally have an employment contract with the agency? (Genuine question) it
They may have to provide their own footwear, but so did Victorian millworkers.
(ETA: cross-posted, don't worry about responding)
mojo pixy
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Building sites but 'coal face'. Not 'on site'. That's a metaphor
My 'coal face' is called 'on the floor' btw.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Doing work vs doing work about work
It’s just an idiom. I’m sure you use plenty in natural discourse.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I've certainly used the phrase the chalk face enough in my time. It was, of course used to distinguish those "who couldn't" that actually did, as opposed to those wankers "who couldn't" who really didn't by retreating from the kids into their SMT, air-conditioned offices. The cunts.
Never heard that one. I’ll be reluctant to use it though else all the various accusations that might spring from it on here.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
For one; chalk wasn't really used much at all beyond the early/mid 90's...went all white-board & then interactive stuff when the New Lab £ cut in.
Fwiw, I know ‘at the coal face’ from politics rather than work. Used to describe those on the streets or knocking on doors vs the theoretical types preaching from books. So there was a bit of a crossover. I wouldn’t ordinarily use it about work.
mojo pixy
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You're an idiom.
Come on, by now it's clear the serious conversations over on this.
France has gone back to normal now, its the police's turn to be violent again. Macron will talk tough to appease the Right, new laws will probably congeal around it all, the fact the killer cop got more money in the fundraise-off will fuel all the culture wars, he'll be put on desk duty (I doubt he'll face trial or even dismissal tbh), and next time it'll be even worse.
I do feel embarrassed being a part of taking it off topic.You're an idiom.
Come on, by now it's clear the serious conversations over on this.
France has gone back to normal now, its the police's turn to be violent again. Macron will talk tough to appease the Right, new laws will probably congeal around it all, the fact the killer cop got more money in the fundraise-off will fuel all the culture wars, he'll be put on desk duty (I doubt he'll face trial or even dismissal tbh), and next time it'll be even worse.
Apologies all.
countingtozero
Active Member
Unfortunately there are also plenty of defendants also getting hefty sentences, e.g. an 18 year old got 30 months for filming a firework attack on a police station in Paris:
Après la mort de Nahel, ce que nous apprennent les comparutions immédiates des émeutiers (in French).
Echoes of the sentences issued in the UK after the 2011 riots.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
And kill the bill much more recently.
ska invita
back on the other side
some good sociological stats in the FT today
off the scale stuff
"French riots show how entrenched inequalities have become
The gulf between immigrants and those born in the country is larger than in almost any other developed nation"
off the scale stuff
"French riots show how entrenched inequalities have become
The gulf between immigrants and those born in the country is larger than in almost any other developed nation"
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Some of the right wing feeds on Youtube etc are talking about the letter by generals from a few years ago.
Anger as ex-generals warn of 'deadly civil war' in France
27 April 2021
Anger as ex-generals warn of 'deadly civil war' in France
27 April 2021
I'm surprised how close the UK numbers are.
I know Paris quite well and have family there so am less surprised. As it says, Paris and Marseille are very divided and have pockets of real no go areas for police - a police force that is far more aggressive (and racist), and legally allowed to be, than the UK.
But will we go the same way?
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