ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Of course, but it can happen even if you don't have the petrol, or the bottles, or the bits of paper towel or cloth.
Riot going on now in Bristol - Stokes Croft
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Of course, but it can happen even if you don't have the petrol, or the bottles, or the bits of paper towel or cloth.
JHE
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Defence of small businesses against the big bad supermarkets is plainly petit bourgois politics.
Some people, of course, don't give a shit about that issue, but are upset about some squatters being evicted - which has nothing to do with Tescos.
Of course, some are just keen on riots. Riots are fun, I suppose.
Some people, of course, don't give a shit about that issue, but are upset about some squatters being evicted - which has nothing to do with Tescos.
Of course, some are just keen on riots. Riots are fun, I suppose.
JHE
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See Alfreton Road, NG7
There are loads and loads of empty commercial premises in Nottingham. Alfreton Road has more than its fair share. Tesco is currently doing up one place there. I'm not sure what it was before it last closed down, but I think it might have been a car dealership.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"ba-a-a-ands won't play no more...."
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Fantastic - Laurie Penny is writing about this for the New Statesman
And here it is - http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2011/04/stokes-croft-police-tesco
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's actually not a bad piece as it goes. A little breathless and you can tell she was 200 miles away but still better than the crap that has been printed elsewhere, which is basically Avon And Somerset plods press releases.
(Of course, that doesn't deal with how and why she gets yo write something rather than someone else)
(Of course, that doesn't deal with how and why she gets yo write something rather than someone else)
Ground Elder
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Did anyone actually tear up the cobblestones and if they did was there a beach underneath?
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went by earlier. the squat is still occupied as far as i could see. police forensics were out dusting for fingerprints on the smashed windows. shame to see the bike shop next door had a window smashed too.
JHE
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... but it's not a shame when supermarkets, coffee shops and burger restaurants get smashed up?
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no
BigTom
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http://bristolaf.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-battle-of-stokes-croft/
Bristol Anarchist Federation writeup
Bristol Anarchist Federation writeup
Geri
wasn't born to follow
I wonder if it was an accident, or because he supported the opening of Tesco?
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Probably more to do with pissed up yoot?
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Not being able to hit a cow's arse with a banjo, you mean?
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yeah that. apparently he was told to stop doing it pretty sharpish by everyone else. there was someone (dunno if they were representing anyone) going around the crowd this afternoon rattling a tin to pay for broken windows of other shops.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
it would have been illegal for the Council to refuse planning permission for this shop on the grounds that they don't like the firm that will operate it.
of all the things to riot over this one really has me puzzled. i wonder how Cameron feels about this. good distraction i'd of thought.
will it kick off again tonight now? either the cops protect the store and risk getting rounded on or they leave it and it gets attacked again. this will run on throughout the weekend i'd of thought. would be interested in the local views on that.
of all the things to riot over this one really has me puzzled. i wonder how Cameron feels about this. good distraction i'd of thought.
will it kick off again tonight now? either the cops protect the store and risk getting rounded on or they leave it and it gets attacked again. this will run on throughout the weekend i'd of thought. would be interested in the local views on that.
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i don't think the legal argument over the planning case consisted of 'we don't like tesco'. it was slightly more complicated than that.
BigTom
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/22/bristol-riot-tesco
JHE - this article from a local says 96% of a survey of 700 people opposed tescos. I'd say that is a fairly broad local opposition comprising of most people. I don't know how many people live in and close to stokes croft though.
Weltweit- I know fuck all about planning but do the wishes of local residences not need to be taken into account? Do you not think that the people who actually live in an area where something is going to happen should be able to say we don't want it hear, and have their voices listened to. 2,500 complaints against tescos..
JHE - this article from a local says 96% of a survey of 700 people opposed tescos. I'd say that is a fairly broad local opposition comprising of most people. I don't know how many people live in and close to stokes croft though.
Weltweit- I know fuck all about planning but do the wishes of local residences not need to be taken into account? Do you not think that the people who actually live in an area where something is going to happen should be able to say we don't want it hear, and have their voices listened to. 2,500 complaints against tescos..
in a word, no. a petition of 5000 is given zero consideration if the arguments it is based on are not relevant in planning terms. one person's letter raising salient planning-relevant points is far more powerful. that's the way things are at present in planning but funnily enough I think the Tories are trying to change that in England to allow more middle class nimbyism.
the actual Councillors (who I assume made the final decision here, based upon the Council Officer's recommendation for approval in all likelihood) would have been in a better position to refuse on more dubious grounds though (i.e. found an excuse to refuse. and it surprises me that they didn't).
worth remembering too that the planning permission wasn't granted for a Tesco Express, but simply for a medium sized shop (albeit one with Tesco Express signage).
flutterbye
English Breakfast
Well done Bristol,
BigTom
Well-Known Member
That's pretty dissapointing tbh, but I've replied to planning applications with objections on the basis that those objections would have some relevance - this was for change of usage of a premises to being a takeaway food outlet though and the objections were on the basis of extra traffic, no need for more food outlets around us and not really health and safety (but can't remember the proper term) wrt attracting more rats/foxes etc..
iirc the vote on the application was 3-3 with the chair casting the deciding vote in favour and noting that if it went against tesco would appeal and this would cost BCC in legal fees..
So it's not at all clear cut and the balance may have been tipped by the thought that tescos might win on appeal and the possible cost for the council of that happening.
embree said:
^^this is a local person talking. Listen to them..
But unfortunately embree you're going to have to work hard to get the tesco line out of peoples heads and connect them to issues of gentrification and the loss of Stokes Croft & the lack of local democracy which are the wider issues I'm hearing - plus of course the defence of the squat by local residents of both Stokes Croft and St Pauls.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
No, I think it was too much fighting on the dance floor.
Sometimes I think it's hard enough trying to make people in other parts of Bristol aware of the issues we're facing here let alone anywhere else. Ultimately I can see attitudes hardening to 'bollocks to anyone else, we're sticking with each other on this one'. Seeing my community slagged off in various ways as either a 'crime ridden hell hole' or a trustifarian paradise rather than somewhere with complex local issues, a lot of vulnerable people but a fierce community spirit is difficult. I don't give a shit what people in Redland or Cotham think tbh, again they're part of our problem.
what was their angle? or was it just basic facts they fucked up?
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