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Riot going on now in Bristol - Stokes Croft

stephj said:
But no one's really saying its wrong to have a 9-5,
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Yes, the squatters were. They claimed that people who had 9-5 jobs were trapped in the system, and that squatting makes people free. It's arrogant and patronising to the vast majority of people.
 
stephj said:
But no one's really saying its wrong to have a 9-5, but the likes of Tesco aggressively move into areas, put other shops out of business, and in the end local people are worse off. Other than a few local jobs, what wider investment do the likes of Tesco really bring to an area? Profits journey away from the local community and into their shareholders pockets and the City.

If anything, local people end up being in need of Tesco for local employment and because there's no alternatives, effectively held to ransom by corporate muscle.
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Support local capitalists! We demand that our exploiters live in Clifton or redland!
 
stephj said:
But no one's really saying its wrong to have a 9-5, but the likes of Tesco aggressively move into areas, put other shops out of business, and in the end local people are worse off. Other than a few local jobs, what wider investment do the likes of Tesco really bring to an area? Profits journey away from the local community and into their shareholders pockets and the City.

If anything, local people end up being in need of Tesco for local employment and because there's no alternatives, effectively held to ransom by corporate muscle.

Communities need not only to defend against the likes of Tesco pushing their weight, but believe that there are alternatives, such as setting up co-operatives where investment is for the whole community.
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Oddly enough, the Tesco at Bramley centre, stopped the shopping centre dying on it's arse after the Morrisons closed. Now admittedly any big supermarket could have done that, but for about a year or two business after business folded when there was no "proper" supermarket and now they are opening up again. Obviously if they'd bulldozed the whole complex and put in a hypermarket I wouldn't have agreed, but opening a medium size store in that centre saved it from death.
 
That first video shows only a handful of people attacking the store. Believe me, the crowd behind (hundreds) were egging them on and cheering every blow. As I keep saying, it wasn't just the hippies/trusties either. Really wide range of people
 
_angel_ said:
Oddly enough, the Tesco at Bramley centre, stopped the shopping centre dying on it's arse after the Morrisons closed. Now admittedly any big supermarket could have done that, but for about a year or two business after business folded when there was no "proper" supermarket and now they are opening up again. Obviously if they'd bulldozed the whole complex and put in a hypermarket I wouldn't have agreed, but opening a medium size store in that centre saved it from death.
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Well I know angel, and I accept that, especially where if it were not for a major chain coming in, they'd be nothing. It still worries me that such supermarkets even when they revive local areas, that their profits (from the hard work of local labour) mostly flows outside of that local area.
 
stephj said:
Well I know angel, and I accept that, especially where if it were not for a major chain coming in, they'd be nothing. It still worries me that such supermarkets even when they revive local areas, that their profits (from the hard work of local labour) mostly flows outside of that local area.
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Exactly
 
embree said:
'Potential' petrol bomb is the phrase they're using. So, empty bottles and a bit of rag then
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If, anywhere around my house and garden shed, I am found to have:

a can of petrol
some empty bottles awaiting recycling
some bits of paper towel or cloth

can I be arrested for having "potential petrol bombs"?

Giles..
 
Giles said:
If, anywhere around my house and garden shed, I am found to have:

a can of petrol
some empty bottles awaiting recycling
some bits of paper towel or cloth

can I be arrested for having "potential petrol bombs"?

Giles..
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Yes, Polis informed and on their way :)
 
Giles said:
If, anywhere around my house and garden shed, I am found to have:

a can of petrol
some empty bottles awaiting recycling
some bits of paper towel or cloth

can I be arrested for having "potential petrol bombs"?

Giles..
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Depends - are you occupying a building the Council are desperate to redevelop and simultaneously causing some embarrassment for the shiny new supermarket over the road? If yes, the Avon & Somerset Constabulary would be delighted to pay you a visit, mobbed up with their chums from Gwent
 
Stunning pics but he really should do some blurring of faces in one or two. In general there were far too many cameras around last night, people are incredibly thoughtless about this shit. Even saw people posing with rocks for their mates etc
 
Reading a few discussions about this it looks like we are already about to tread a depressingly familiar path in terms of the 'debate'.

Basically the perception of violence will be used to obscure the real issues.

So it goes. No violence: Ignored, fobbed off. Violence: Denounced and vilified.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Reading a few discussions about this it looks like we are already about to tread a depressingly familiar path in terms of the 'debate'.

Basically the perception of violence will be used to obscure the real issues.

So it goes. No violence: Ignored, fobbed off. Violence: Denounced and vilified.
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Already happening. Saw someone on twitter hysterically saying two years of campaigning against tesco have been 'wasted' by last night. As though another incident free evening on Stokes Croft would have brought a corporate free neighbourhood any closer ffs.

The liberals queue up to denounce those who have nothing left to lose.
 
embree said:
Stunning pics but he really should do some blurring of faces in one or two. In general there were far too many cameras around last night, people are incredibly thoughtless about this shit. Even saw people posing with rocks for their mates etc
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Yeah, I've suggested to him on twitter that he do that, I thought the same. Can't believe ppl would pose with rocks etc. it's just silly.

Face blurred in this video though - nice high quality vid as well

 
There was a shouted conversation on Ashley Road this morning between a bloke filming his mate with a rock and another guy telling him to stop being so stupid. 'Oh these pics aren't going anywhere mate'. Yeah, just wait for the arrests to start...
 
BigTom said:
Yeah, I've suggested to him on twitter that he do that, I thought the same. Can't believe ppl would pose with rocks etc. it's just silly.

Face blurred in this video though - nice high quality vid as well

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Good video that, gives a good sense of the sequence of events - well, some of them
 
embree said:
Stunning pics but he really should do some blurring of faces in one or two. In general there were far too many cameras around last night, people are incredibly thoughtless about this shit. Even saw people posing with rocks for their mates etc
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He's responded to me and others on twitter and has removed some of the photos :) I haven't actually looked back at the set but he clearly knows why so I assume he'll ahve taken the ones down that identify anyone.
 
embree said:
Good video that, gives a good sense of the sequence of events - well, some of them
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cool.. never likely to get a single video or picture set that shows everything but for those of us who weren't there it's nice to know how representative what we are seeing is of what actually went on
 
BigTom said:
cool.. never likely to get a single video or picture set that shows everything but for those of us who weren't there it's nice to know how representative what we are seeing is of what actually went on
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You definitely have a feel for how events ebbed and flowed up and down Cheltenham Road/Stokes Croft, though a knowledge of local geography helps. Early on, that's the police trailer that was hitched to the 4WD being used to barricade Cheltenham Road. This was full of riot gear and you can see kiddies with shields etc a few seconds later. Further down the road some people were bringing a skip up, thought it was a shame that was left outside Tesco rather than being used to barricade the other side of Cheltenham Road to delay the return of the vans a few vital moments.
 
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