Riot going on now in Bristol - Stokes Croft

[embree]

And after I posted that this morning...

Possible reopening next week

BEP continue to report this as thought the polie resources were needed 'in response' to the riots, rather than the riots being in response to a massive overuse of police resources. Keep remembering this every time you read anything written about this in ths mainstream media.

 

[LLETSA]

how is meaningless , patronising guff about rioters ' getting carrtied away in the heat of the moment' in any way 'spot on' ? Is that what riots, from Peterloo to Tahir Square to Stowes Croft are about , people getting 'carried away ' ? very silly .

Quite. Stokes Croft was clearly on a par with Peterloo.

 

[OneStrike]

Apparently Sainsbury's have acquired the old Woolies in Whiteladies? It's not my area, just saying what i've read.

 

[strung out]

the old woolies on whiteladies has been turned into an indoor market hasn't it? as far as i knew, that seemed like a pretty permanent fixture. they've certainly done it up nicely upstairs.

 

[embree]

It's true apparently:

Sainsburys buy the old Woolies on Whiteladies

 

[strung out]

that's shit. the clifton bazaar might not be to everyone's taste, but it's a nice unit that has plenty of local produce and local traders. down with this sort of thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

how is meaningless , patronising guff about rioters ' getting carrtied away in the heat of the moment' in any way 'spot on' ? Is that what riots, from Peterloo to Tahir Square to Stowes Croft are about , people getting 'carried away ' ? very silly .

peterloo wasn't a riot was it. they don't call it the peterloo massacre for nothing you know

 

[chilango]

that's shit. the clifton bazaar might not be to everyone's taste, but it's a nice unit that has plenty of local produce and local traders. down with this sort of thing.

Couldn't they have bought one the many empty units around there?

 

[embree]

Couldn't they have bought one the many empty units around there?

and risk not fucking over one of their potential competitors?

 

[The39thStep]

how is meaningless , patronising guff about rioters ' getting carrtied away in the heat of the moment' in any way 'spot on' ? Is that what riots, from Peterloo to Tahir Square to Stowes Croft are about , people getting 'carried away ' ? very silly .

From Peterloo to Stowes Croft eh. That is a tremendous leaf of faith there boy. Could the next step be reframing it as an uprising?

You got something to say to Geri re her posts as well?

 

[embree]

A leaf of faith eh? And where the fuck is Stowes Croft?

 

[The39thStep]

ask Cantsin he was the one who originally posted in support of 'Stowes Croft'.

Anyway here is Spiked's view of the fashionable anti Tesco lobby

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10503/

 

[DaveCinzano]

Another fascinating screed from the intellectual powerhouse behind the free marketeers of the RCP. Still, at least if he's bashing these out he's not trying to have sex with young women who don't want to have sex with him.

 

[Blagsta]

ask Cantsin he was the one who originally posted in support of 'Stowes Croft'.

Anyway here is Spiked's view of the fashionable anti Tesco lobby

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10503/

What is your opinion on the article? Any reason why you've posted an article from a right wing site? Are you ever gonna post an opinion of your own? or just continue your snide comments?

 

[embree]

What is your opinion on the article? Any reason why you've posted an article from a right wing site? Are you ever gonna post an opinion of your own? or just continue your snide comments?

pretty much what I've been thinking tbh

 

[The39thStep]

What is your opinion on the article? Any reason why you've posted an article from a right wing site? Are you ever gonna post an opinion of your own? or just continue your snide comments?

You are really one of those cases where you are a small fish in a small pond aren't you? If you read the thread on the politics section you will see what my views are.

As for posting articles from 'right wing' sites you might find that reading anything that is outside the uber precious liberal getto you inhabit might allow you to operate in the normal world. Meanwhile just keep dispensing the methadone .

 

[The39thStep]

pretty much what I've been thinking tbh

I am shocked.

 

[LLETSA]

What is your opinion on the article? Any reason why you've posted an article from a right wing site? Are you ever gonna post an opinion of your own? or just continue your snide comments?

Spiked might well extol the supposed virtues of the free market, but they're not right wing. Many free-marketeers are not right wing.

To my mind, right wing means conservative. The deeper the market penetrates, the more it undermines conservatism. Ultimately it destroys its social base. That's why we have a liberal society with any challenge to capitalism further away than ever and receding by the day.

 

[Blagsta]

not worth it

 

[Blagsta]

Spiked might well extol the supposed virtues of the free market, but they're not right wing. Many free-marketeers are not right wing.

To my mind, right wing means conservative. The deeper the market penetrates, the more it undermines conservatism. Ultimately it destroys its social base. That's why we have a liberal society with any challenge to capitalism further away than ever and receding by the day.

Advocates of the free market are not right wing? Oh dear. No recognition from you then of different strands in right wing thought.

 

[LLETSA]

Advocates of the free market are not right wing? Oh dear. No recognition from you then of different strands in right wing thought.

Lots of them are right wing; I didn't deny that. But it doesn't necessarily follow that just beacause you favour the (so called) free market, you're right wing. Most of those involved in Spiked, for instance, are clearly not right wing. And throughout the world, there are few left of centre political parties who now seriously believe that there is an alternative to the free market. But most of those involved in them are not right wing in their views on anything else (or even regarding the free market, as they tell themselves that it can be made to benefit everybody.)

The radical left (anarchists included) realised this a long time ago, even if only subconsciously. It is why it concentrates mostly on defending liberal values.

 

[Blagsta]

Spiked clearly are right wing. Just cos they used to be the RCP, doesn't make them left. They are advocates of a capitalist free market.

 

[LLETSA]

Spiked clearly are right wing. Just cos they used to be the RCP, doesn't make them left. They are advocates of a capitalist free market.

They are advocates of the free market because, in their view, it is what keeps 'the human experiment' alive (innovation, the revolutionising of whole societies, the sweeping away of conservative attitudes-as we're currently seeing in the free market revolutions in the Middle East and Africa-etc etc.) These are all things they (correctly) see the left as no longer capable of doing. It in no way means they're right wing. In many ways they've called it right, despite the negative outcomes. Hence the bewilderment of those like Thatcher and Reagan-social conservatives who couldn't understand that unleashing market forces wreaks havoc on social conservatism. It is why their political descendents in right of centre parties can't really be described as conservatives.

 

[Blagsta]

Support for naked capitalism is not right wing?

 

[Fruitloop]

They fail to see that it it capitalism that i radical, not socialism.

 

[Fruitloop]

'free market revolutions in the middle east'?

 

[LLETSA]

Support for naked capitalism is not right wing?

Not necessarily, no. As I said, as far as I understand it, having come to see the left as a spent force and given up on the working class as the main agent of social change, they look to capitalist innovation to maintain the spirit of 'human experimentation.'

 

[LLETSA]

'free market revolutions in the middle east'?

I think the outcome will definitely be governments more committed to the 'free market' neo-liberal recipes than their predecessors.

 

[Blagsta]

Not necessarily, no. As I said, as far as I understand it, having come to see the left as a spent force and given up on the working class as the main agent of social change, they look to capitalist innovation to maintain the spirit of 'human experimentation.'

Which is a right wing position.

 

[LLETSA]

Which is a right wing position.

I've seen no evidence that, while taking this stance, they are opposed to the working class striving for political change. I think they hold the position they do because, as I said, they don't believe the working class is an effective force for change anymore.

They don't appear to be right wing on most issues. Lots of people favour capitalism without having a right wing philosophy, including many actual capitalists.