Revolution: "Independent" Youth Group?

[Udo Erasmus]

The main obsession of Workers Power in the lead-up to the ESF was a "Youth meeting space", most other leftists across Europe were pretty uninterested as they knew the main reason for WP wanting this was to pick up loads of naive teenagers for their front group Revo.

WP claim that Revo is an "independent" organisation that stands in "political solidarity" with WP (why radical youth would want to be in political solidarity with a tiny sect of middle aged, middle class leftists is anybody's guess) but most other people think that Revo is merely a front for Workers Power.

How independent is WPs "Independent" Youth group?????

 

[Ray]

The main obsession of Workers Power in the lead-up to the ESF was a "Youth meeting space", most other leftists across Europe were pretty uninterested as they knew the main reason for WP wanting this was to pick up loads of naive teenagers for their front group Revo.

WP claim that Revo is an "independent" organisation that stands in "political solidarity" with WP (why radical youth would want to be in political solidarity with a tiny sect of middle aged, middle class leftists is anybody's guess) but most other people think that Revo is merely a front for Workers Power.

How independent is WPs "Independent" Youth group?????

What, do you mean compared to Globalise Resistance?

 

[dennisr]

The main obsession of Workers Power...

Just doing me lunch break gander through urban. you seem to have developed quite an obssesion yourself - why the sudden overarching interest in wp? - particularly given your stated opinion about their irrelevance (being a tiny sect etc)? Someone upset you?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Udo you do seem to be getting a bit obsessed.

However just for the record (not in Revo anymore but was until recently):

Revo doesn’t say it stands in political solidarity with WP – have a look at the website/manifesto if you’re interested.

And Revos national committee has 14 members, only 4 of who are in WP. They are all 25 and under with most being 16-21. Why you’re so interested I don’t know.

As for WP members being middle classed. Utter bollox (although we do have some middle class members) and coming from an SWP member is laughable….

The youth space (which the SWP tried to block while backing a women’s space and “autonomous” space) was backed by many organisations such as the SSP youth and SEGI youth (who have around 10,000 members). The meeting was seen as a good success (and people from SEGI, SSP, ISR etc were there) and the speaker from the youth assembly got a lot of applause at the main Assembly on the Sunday….

PS What happened to Spark the SWP youth organisation. Shut down after failing to take off didn’t it?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

In my town the only people I have seen selling Revolution, your 20p newsheet is middle aged WP members.

Apparently any other left wing organisations that try to attend Revolution are hounded out by WP hacks!

 

[cockneyrebel]

And as said the Revo NC is as stated. Unlike Spark which was controlled by Chris Bambery who is in his 40s before it was shut down after failure.

As for other people being “hounded out”, you really are funny.

 

[blamblam]

In action it's pretty WP-run, but I wouldn't say the politics of the members are that close to WP (but then that's the point of a good front group eh Udo - and you should know being in the worst one of 'em)

 

[cockneyrebel]

I think the politics of Revo members are different. The vast majority are revolutionary socialists (if they’ve been around any length of time) but some are closer to WP than others, and some are in WP. There have also been ISR members, SWP members, anarchos etc

But Revo is definitely more independent than when you were around Icepick, especially with better structures like the NC (not saying that nothing could be improved by the way).

 

[Udo Erasmus]

So you can confirm CockneyWebel that Revo has no links with Workers Power but all left wing groups such as the SWP, SP, CPGB are all part of it?

 

[cockneyrebel]

Look Udo writes rebel as “webel”, you are just soooooo funny….

Of course Revo has links to Workers Power. Workers Power set it up for fucks sake! But the Revo NC only has 4 members in WP out of 14. And the majority of Revo members aren’t in WP.

As opposed to Spark which had no independence, was ran by Bambery in his 40s and was shut down after it failed.

You seem very obsessed….

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Of course Revo has links to Workers Power. Workers Power set it up for fucks sake! But the Revo NC only has 4 members in WP out of 14. And the majority of Revo members aren’t in WP.

This sounds like many organisations that in the past CockneyWebel accuses of being SWP fronts!

 

[Udo Erasmus]

I did hear that the NC of Revo gets its orders from the old brigade in the CC of Workers power!

 

[cockneyrebel]

Did you really. How interesting for you....

Are you a Revo stalker

 

[ernestolynch]

It's all Trottery.

 

[Flavour]

where i live, 1 person who has anything to do with revo (out of 30+) is a member of WP.

 

[scawenb]

Does it actually matter if it is a front organisation?

 

[In Bloom]

I've not enocountered many people from Revo, but so far as I know they weren't in WP

 

[ernestolynch]

It's all Trot BS.

 

[In Bloom]

It's all Trottery.

It's all Trot BS.

Did it need to be pointed out twice on the same thread by the same poster that a Trotskyite group is Trotskyite?

 

[Flavour]

revo? not from where im sitting. only 2 of the revo members i know have even read trotsky

 

[ernestolynch]

Again - defending the Trots. Good sixth form teacher you had!

 

[Flavour]

which socialist parties aren't trots, ern?

 

[In Bloom]

Again - defending the Trots. Good sixth form teacher you had!

Who's "defending the Trots"? I merely pointed out that your first post was pointless and your second post was worse. And what does my sixth form teacher have to do with anything? You aren't still repeating the same old lies about me after I've corrected you multiple times are you?

 

[ernestolynch]

You're a liberal with Trot leanings, Mister Bloom. Admit it.

 

[ernestolynch]

which socialist parties aren't trots, ern?

All of them.

 

[In Bloom]

You're a liberal with Trot leanings, Mister Bloom. Admit it.

Wrong again ern. Now maybe you'd like to explain what my sixth form education has to do with anything...

 

[Flavour]

touché

 

[ernestolynch]

Wrong again ern. Now maybe you'd like to explain what my sixth form education has to do with anything...

Do you use 'conditioner' dear boy or do you wash n go?

 

[charlie mowbray]

Why don't you use the Bernard Manning Shampoo, Ernesto? Wash and fuck off!

 

[red_hippy]

I did hear that the NC of Revo gets its orders from the old brigade in the CC of Workers power!

Well you need to get your ears tested mate. I'm a member of the Revo NC (one of the 4 workers power members on it) and the idea that we get 'our orders from the CC of Workers Power' is total bollocks. The worker's power members on the NC have no more control than any people who are just revo members, the NC is the organisational committee that decides on revo action, and we are controlled by no other organisation.

If your going to make snipey comments like that, then at least do your background work

To be honest, I think that this is all part of a sad SWP witch-hunt against Revo because they were the driving force behind the very succesful Youth Assembly at the ESF, which the SWP were determined to crush. You just had to look at Callinicos's screwed up bitter face when we got to speak at the ASM on sunday to confirm this. The SWP is clearly very bitter at the prospect of a strong, international revolutionary youth organisation being built (in terms of both Revo and what comes out of the Youth Assembly)

Perhaps, Udo, you'd be prepared to make this accusation to Revo members on our web-board? ....although I doubt you'd be up for doing that, wouldn't want revo members to actually be able to defend it as an independent organisation would you?. Either put up or fuck off.