Rejecting vaccination - "growing public health time bomb", NHS Chief warns

[scifisam]

You sound pretty knowledgable on this.
Is it an issue if you get slightly *too* vaccinated?

I don't think so, especially since most vaccines these days aren't live.

But there is always a risk with any vaccination. It's usually a minuscule risk but for adults who might well have been exposed already it's not a zero sum game because they're not going to pass on the infection anyway, unlike unexposed kids. Even a few days off work with a vaccine-related fever (which is not common but also not that unusual) could be difficult to manage. So for, say healthcare workers, who probably haven't been vaccinated against chickenpox, it can sometimes be worth checking for titres rather than going straight to a vaccination.

I'm not that knowledgeable though, just another person on the internet.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I don't remember catching it, but I distinctly remember a neighbour coming in and inspecting my brother who had caught something or other...


The MMR vaccine was introduced in 1988. Prior to that a licensed vaccine to prevent measles first became available in 1963, an improved measles vaccine in 1968. Most adults born before 1970 in the UK are likely have had measles infection and therefore be immune.19 Apr 2013

Q&A: Measles and MMR

I've had:

Whooping cough
Measles
Rubella
Chickenpox
Mumps

 

[8ball]

I don't think so, especially since most vaccines these days aren't live.

But there is always a risk with any vaccination. It's usually a minuscule risk but for adults who might well have been exposed already it's not a zero sum game because they're not going to pass on the infection anyway, unlike unexposed kids. Even a few days off work with a vaccine-related fever (which is not common but also not that unusual) could be difficult to manage. So for, say healthcare workers, who probably haven't been vaccinated against chickenpox, it can sometimes be worth checking for titres rather than going straight to a vaccination.

I've heard all manner of stories at work from people who sometimes have the flu jab about ill effects. I have one every year due to a dodgy heart (though I always get work to pay for it) and *sometimes* get a slightly sore arm for a day. I sometimes wonder whether people who just have it now again are more prone to attributing any random symptom to the vaccine. I'm sometimes a little disapproving of healthcare workers who dodge it, I think if you're working with people who are already sick, you really should.

I'm not that knowledgeable though, just another person on the internet.

I wouldn't say that. You've clearly thought about it.

 

[8ball]

I've had:

Whooping cough
Measles
Rubella
Chickenpox
Mumps

I don't think I ever had whooping cough. Had the rest of that, though. And scarlet fever *and* scaletina according to my Mum, but I thought they were the same thing.

Was a sickly kid.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Is it an issue if you get slightly *too* vaccinated?

I doubt it for most things, but some can have worse side-effects than others so probably not recommended as a general rule.

I wouldn't say that. You've clearly thought about it.

There are sites that explain the plethora of tests that are available - this is for chicken pox.

 

[Don Troooomp]

My kids have had the lot and screw anyone with stupid anti-vax ideas.

 

[LDC]

I've heard all manner of stories at work from people who sometimes have the flu jab about ill effects... I sometimes wonder whether people who just have it now again are more prone to attributing any random symptom to the vaccine.

When I had my flu vaccine this year I chatted to the nurse that gave it to me and asked about side effects. They said there weren't any, and that is was always very predictable as to who will get some anyway and feel unwell enough to skip work for a few days.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

When I had my flu vaccine this year I chatted to the nurse that gave it to me and asked about side effects. They said there weren't any, and that is was always very predictable as to who will get some anyway and feel unwell enough to skip work for a few days.

The only side effect I usually have is a slightly sore arm, although my arm was dead after they gave me the pneumococcal vaccine in the same arm at the same time. Killed for a week.

 

[StoneRoad]

As a nipper, I had measles (with complications, light sensitivity and pancreatitis I think), mumps (also with something else in the not helpful line), chicken pox (which lasted ages), pneumonia badly enough to be hospitalised and given oxygen.
I probably had rubella and whooping cough, think I was immune to scarlet fever as a couple of accidental exposures didn't result in me getting it (playing with infectious neighbours before their rash came out)
Mother made sure I got all the vaccinations going ... polio, smallpox, diphtheria and TB. If it had been available they would have included MMR.

 

[equationgirl]

I can't have the flu vaccination, as I had what the medics termed a massive immune response to the swine flu jab in 2009. Before then I had the flu jab with no side effects. So I take the 'they can predict who will have side effects' with a pinch of salt - I'm sure they can predict who will have side effects if they've had them before, but I don't think they can if there have been no side effects before, or if someone hasn't had a type of vaccination.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I have no resistance to TB, despite having had many vaccinations. A Heaf test administered in the morning would be invisible by 22:00.

 

[8ball]

I have no resistance to TB, despite having had many vaccinations. A Heaf test administered in the morning would be invisible by 22:00.

Some folk on this site will be too young to have had a Heaf test.

 

[StoneRoad]

OH has "probably" had TB as a youngster.
When the chest x-ray from medical exams comes back, something akin to all hell breaks loose - there is a small shadow on one lung, which hasn't changed in shape / location for over forty years ... and the heaf test would come up positive ...

 

[Sasaferrato]

Some folk on this site will be too young to have had a Heaf test.

Yep, Mantoux from circa 2005.

 

[StoneRoad]

I've been having the flu jab for several years now, in order to protect my elderly father. Trying to persuade him to have one himself wasn't easy - he didn't want to be any trouble ...
(My f-i-l died partly as a result of repeated chest infections, probably being in a care home didn't help)

I was astounded to find out that the one company did not insist on / provide jabs for their staff. I did persuade most of the lasses that visited my father to get theirs ...

 

[gentlegreen]

Words fail ....

 

[andysays]

Words fail ....

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I can suggest a few if you're really stuck

 

[gentlegreen]

Apparently Wakefield visited Poland and 200 people paid to hear him speak...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Fucking eejits.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Autism symptoms replicated in mice after faecal transplants

Part of Wakefield's research, purported to have isolated vaccine viral particles in the intestines of children who had developed autism post vaccination.

 

[8ball]

Autism symptoms replicated in mice after faecal transplants

Part of Wakefield's research, purported to have isolated vaccine viral particles in the intestines of children who had developed autism post vaccination.

I wouldn't mind seeing this replicated...

 

[Sasaferrato]

I wouldn't mind seeing this replicated...

Which? The Guardian article or Wakefield? I don't think anyone has been able to replicate Wakefield.

 

[8ball]

Which? The Guardian article or Wakefield? I don't think anyone has been able to replicate Wakefield.

The one in the Graun - with the mice.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The one in the Graun - with the mice.

It is interesting, and if accurate rather makes you realise we still have more to know than is already known.

 

[8ball]

It is interesting, and if accurate rather makes you realise we still have more to know than is already known.

No one disputes that. But I have an inkling this might be a dud. We'll see.

Then again, I'm more suspicious of some of the conclusions its inviting, rather than that particular study.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I can suggest a few if you're really stuck

Ja pierdolę

 

[Sasaferrato]

No one disputes that. But I have an inkling this might be a dud. We'll see.

Then again, I'm more suspicious of some of the conclusions its inviting, rather than that particular study.

Time will tell. This is one where I couldn't even start to guess about the possible mechanism of action.

 

[cupid_stunt]

But I have an inkling this might be a dud.

A gut feeling?

 

[8ball]

Time will tell. This is one where I couldn't even start to guess about the possible mechanism of action.

Have you taken a look at the pdf'd version of the Cell article?
It's got plenty to chew on (though it needs some familiarity with biochem, micro-bio and genetics tbf).

 

[Sasaferrato]

Have you taken a look at the pdf'd version of the Cell article?
It's got plenty to chew on (though it needs some familiarity with biochem, micro-bio and genetics tbf).

That was a read and a half. I ended up printing it off, easier to go back and forward in it.

Where to from here though?