nino_savatte said:
scree
Rebuilding the Unions - the biggest task for the working class and the left?
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
brasicattack said:scree
It would seem that you haven't got a clue as to what a "screed" (not "scree", as you spelled it) is. But then, you're pretty handy with the smears too,aren't you?
More sinned against than sinning - eh, brassneck?
scree = the sound of a trapped rodent or the sound of a lobster in a boiling pot?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Now you're making it all up in a desperate attempt to save face.
Turn it in.
Turn it in.
John McDonnell on the RMT below, seems like the best form of defence is attack and a militant stance. I have sometimes(though not all the time) been one of the ones critical of Crow, he sometimes comes across as as an 80's dinosaur. But there is no doubt he is winning for his membership, though how he plays in the wider country as a symbol of the left is another thing.
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
treelover said:
Interesting that they had appear to have a consistent and clear approach to recruitment, training and representation.
Recruitment: Are competent people joining the workplace? If there are flaws in this, then this can ruin united action in a workplace as people who have limited "team-working" skills can do a lot of damage and cause a lot of resentment epsecially where other members have to take up their workload.
Training: A co-ordinated and consistent training and learning structure can do wonders, increases the opportunities to try out new things for workers and also gives the signal from employers that they are valued for what they do. This is something that I would really like to see the PCS go to town on in terms of management training as a large number of its members have line-management roles. A more effective culture of line management means that there are less personal cases to deal with and volunteer union reps can spend their time doing other things in terms of union work.
Representation Mark Serwotka has a very high national profile and I also rate him highly as a public speaker, even if he sometimes sails a little bit too close to the wind with RESPECT UC given that he is a Gen. Sec. of a non-party political union. (Some people do find his political stance uncomfortable.
There is a huge problem of workplace apathy. How do you persuade people to vote in elections - whether union or civil? There is always the point of the "silent majority" but if the silent majority doesn't find its own voice, they will be ignored until they do. The RMT seem to be pretty solid in terms of what they campaign on in terms of representation and their "red lines". So long as they are seen by members to represent the views of the majority of the membership - and at the same time carry the public sympathy to their cause - Health and Safety on the railways being of prime concern to the public, they will always have a strong negotiating position.
Somehow us in the PCS don't seem to have been as successful at raising the plight of the threats to public services - especially with things like the Job Centre Plus cuts (which I had extreme reservations about at the time but was clueless as to what I could and couldn't do as a very newly elected union rep in another part of the civil service.)
The PCS did have a stab at putting forward positive proposals for reform of the public sector and civil service - e.g. allowing in-house bids for contracts and the like. Developing this could be another string to the bow as employers would have to come up with reasons why positive proposals wouldn't work - putting them on the back foot.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The RMT and the PCS have been consistently the fastest growing unions over the last few years. They are also the most militant major unions. This is not a coincidence.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Sorry for being OTT as well, I actually sent you a message (the private messages on Urban) to say sorry if I'd offended you......I was only joking with the stupid comments but looking at that post it did sound a bit narchy.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
CR, this is something that's bugged me for 5 years now. It's 'narky' not narchy.
cockneyrebel
New Member
fair enough, you shouldn't have waited five years to say!!!!nino_savatte said:
hmmmmm sounds like some one else i know and some of those on the election thread
Well, I understand, but you must also understand that my incredulity at the claims of a small group is not unique. Also I appreciate your honesty.
At bottom I'm trying to understand the basis of belief. What drives people to accept one belief over another? To me it's better to work for the betterment of a few individuals, or a small community, than seek to do the impossible - change the world. And this for me is the dichotomy between your campaigns (creating maybe a small change) and your theory (the revolution that changes the world). It seems to me that you can gain respect with campaigns but only ridicule with claims to be developing theory of historical importance.
You have a group that has hung together for several decades with no sign of success. What keeps you together?
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