Re-opening Schools?

[Thora]

Coronavirus: 'The incompetence is insulting' - Govt attacked over last-minute COVID-19 rules for schools

Education leaders have criticised the timing of the guidance, which comes days before schools reopen in England.

news.sky.com

Seems the whole bubble must isolate if one person in it (or attached to it, sibling, parent etc.) gets the bug. No guidance on the size of bubbles, BB2's will be a year group, so 60 + staff...

It’s going to get tricky for secondary that might have bubbles of 200 (a year group) but the French teacher teaches 5 year groups - if they test positive then is that the whole school off?

 

[ska invita]

17,500 children in Scotland were tested last week but only 49 of them came back positive.

Coronavirus in Scotland: Almost 17,500 children tested last week

The number of children being tested has soared since schools returned - but only 49 tested positive last week.

www.bbc.co.uk

as a percentage thats really low, but how many cases would there have been in a months time if that testing didnt take place?
to me that story just highlights how crucial testing is

 

[Steel Icarus]

Releasing info late on the Friday of a bank holiday weekend has got to be deliberate, not merely incompetent

 

[ska invita]

Releasing info late on the Friday of a bank holiday weekend has got to be deliberate, not merely incompetent

im going with incompetent - they seem to be on the backfoot here, still scrabbling around to knock things into shape - the story of the whole pandemic

 

[Cloo]

Surname's more sensible than year group, as if like me you have children in nursery, Y2 and Y6 and each year has a 10 minute slot, you end up spending two hours a day waiting at school

Yeah, I figured it was to keep families together. It's all within 20 mins at our school I think (8.40, 8.50, 9.00)

 

[zahir]

The guidance

[Withdrawn] Managing coronavirus (COVID-19) in education and childcare settings

What measures education and childcare settings should be prepared to introduce to manage coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.gov.uk

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Coronavirus: 'The incompetence is insulting' - Govt attacked over last-minute COVID-19 rules for schools

Education leaders have criticised the timing of the guidance, which comes days before schools reopen in England.

news.sky.com

Seems the whole bubble must isolate if one person in it (or attached to it, sibling, parent etc.) gets the bug. No guidance on the size of bubbles, BB2's will be a year group, so 60 + staff...

Ok good. I think my daughter's bubble is the whole year.

Can't imaging there is going to be enough testing though.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It’s going to get tricky for secondary that might have bubbles of 200 (a year group) but the French teacher teaches 5 year groups - if they test positive then is that the whole school off?

That is a very good point.

 

[wtfftw]

I think the idea is that the teacher is completely immune because they've stood further away.

 

[sheothebudworths]

I've finally had the plan and the risk assessment back from my school.
My daughter goes to the school next door and they have planned for masks to be worn in halls and common areas, since just before the start of the summer holidays.

That's not going to be adopted in my school and what we've been provided with is a plan for the canteen alone (so, how the kids will come in and get food - with only the risk assessment for the actual kitchen, which is small and circular - I work in both).

The kids will come in, in staggered year groups (potentially 300, each time) and they won't eat in the canteen. That has been set out to ensure social distancing (but involves us passing food to them - they can't help themselves) but as far as I'm concerned, means we are effectively in a bubble with the whole school, on a daily basis.

There are vague plans for the kitchen (we have two outside 'pods' which won't be open but will be used to prepare food and there will be a reduced menu) but it sounds like we will have to sort out our own arrangements for that, ultimately and while I'm really mindfull about the work schools have been left to deal with on their own, I'm fucking pissed off about that - that nothing looks to have been worked out directly around us.

I'm trying not to walk in full of panic but I don't feel looked after and I am also really confused about how this impacts on the lives of me/my family/my friends -> outwards, and the risk I might present, along with my daughter, who wants to go back to school.

(ETA - for a point of reference, I am trying to arrange a meeting with my oldest friend, who is having palliative chemo for stage 4 cancer, in a different city. I'm hoping to see her before I go back if she's up to it - but I don't want to present her with any risk/benefit decision beyond me going back to work, if not)

 

[Badgers]

Would the school aged you fake a cough or symptoms to get a couple of weeks off school?

 

[Steel Icarus]

My new department at college is moving all delivery on Wednesdays to online including personal development sessions I deliver. All students and all staff WFH. What's the betting I'm instructed to be on site? This is the problem with having a boss in charge of a team who all work in other teams (us Success Coaches work within subject areas).

 

[nogojones]

Would the school aged you fake a cough or symptoms to get a couple of weeks off school?

Fuck yeah, and if I was a teacher I'd have a new cough every week and be dipping the thermometer in my tea. Cunts want me to go back to an unsafe workplace with no real plan, got to look out for yourself

 

[Steel Icarus]

Fuck yeah, and if I was a teacher I'd have a new cough every week and be dipping the thermometer in my tea. Cunts want me to go back to an unsafe workplace with no real plan, got to look out for yourself

The problem is there are also many many students depending on you.

 

[spanglechick]

Fuck yeah, and if I was a teacher I'd have a new cough every week and be dipping the thermometer in my tea. Cunts want me to go back to an unsafe workplace with no real plan, got to look out for yourself

Being off sick as a teacher is more work than being at work.

 

[nogojones]

The problem is there are also many many students depending on you.

Then they should be learning from your example and faking illness as well. It will serve them well in the long term

And depending on you to do what? Lie and gaslight them about how safe the school environment is for them and their families

 

[Steel Icarus]

Then they should be learning from your example and faking illness as well. It will serve them well in the long term

I ended up getting taken down the disciplinary route at a previous college as I d been off with heavy colds/chestiness four times totalling 10 days. Not sure how anyone would dare in the current situation

 

[Badgers]

Then they should be learning from your example and faking illness as well. It will serve them well in the long term

Forget the teachers. Thus government have set the bar very very high.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fuck yeah, and if I was a teacher I'd have a new cough every week and be dipping the thermometer in my tea. Cunts want me to go back to an unsafe workplace with no real plan, got to look out for yourself

mind it's not a rectal thermometer
and that your tea's not iced. that might raise a few eyebrows

 

[Pickman's model]

Forget the teachers. Thus government have set the bar very very high.

i'd like to see johnson get the high jump

 

[Pickman's model]

Would the school aged you fake a cough or symptoms to get a couple of weeks off school?

when i was 16 i got off swimming for a term by saying i had a perforated eardrum. no one ever checked.

coughs and colds so banal

 

[MickiQ]

Mrs Q has received what she refers to as the "Battle Plan" for next week, each of Y7-11 are a single bubble and Y12/13 make up the 6th bubble. Each bubble gets its own colour coded area of the school they are expected to stay in with dedicated toilets/eating areas. There are staggered start times (per year) from 8.25 to 9.00. Our kids are grown now but there was a time when we had three kids at school together and there are probably parents now who are going to find themselves spending up to half an hour at the gate. There are only 2 entrances to the school so Y10 will have to cross the Y11 zone and Y8/Y9 will have to cross the Y7 zone to get to theirs. She reckons about two weeks max before it collapses into chaos.

 

[thismoment]

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[thismoment]

Mrs Q has received what she refers to as the "Battle Plan" for next week, each of Y7-11 are a single bubble and Y12/13 make up the 6th bubble. Each bubble gets its own colour coded area of the school they are expected to stay in with dedicated toilets/eating areas. There are staggered start times (per year) from 8.25 to 9.00. Our kids are grown now but there was a time when we had three kids at school together and there are probably parents now who are going to find themselves spending up to half an hour at the gate. There are only 2 entrances to the school so Y10 will have to cross the Y11 zone and Y8/Y9 will have to cross the Y7 zone to get to theirs. She reckons about two weeks max before it collapses into chaos.

I’m curious what the bubble arrangements for staff are?

 

[Badgers]

I’m curious what the bubble arrangements for staff are?

The whole school and the families/friends/etc of every person in the school.

 

[Pickman's model]

The whole school and the families/friends/etc of every person in the school.

and the bar staff and customers of the nearest hostelry and off licenses

 

[MickiQ]

I’m curious what the bubble arrangements for staff are?

She didn't tell me so I went and asked (piquing her curiosity since she doesn't know about Urban), Apparently TA's and SEN support staff will be dedicated to a bubble whereas teachers will move between bubbles as needed but remain at least 2m from the pupils at all times. There is apparently one whole sentence dedicated to this fact in the plan., she isn't happy about it.

 

[planetgeli]

Inset day. Was alright but despite the rules of no more than 5 in a room there were pretty quickly 10 or 11 staff in the staffroom. Also, out of about 20 staff (possibly more) only 2 of us wore masks. We've been asked to wear visors rather than masks with the kids. School have provided them. They're shit. I'll be wearing my mask.

I also do not give it long before it collapses into chaos. Cases rising in surrounding countries. Somehow (via wishful thinking probably) a lot of our staff seem oblivious to this. I even heard one "I can't go through all that again." Well you're probably going to have to...

 

[thismoment]

She didn't tell me so I went and asked (piquing her curiosity since she doesn't know about Urban), Apparently TA's and SEN support staff will be dedicated to a bubble whereas teachers will move between bubbles as needed but remain at least 2m from the pupils at all times. There is apparently one whole sentence dedicated to this fact in the plan., she isn't happy about it.

Thanks for asking. Gosh, I imagine some teachers end up teaching all/most of the year groups.

I wonder if that means that if a teacher that teaches multiple year groups tests positive for COVID the year groups that they taught within a certain time frame would have to also self isolate.

You know, I’ve found that COVID guidelines lead to me asking a question, which is answered, which then leads to more questions.Eeek!

 

[thismoment]

Inset day. Was alright but despite the rules of no more than 5 in a room there were pretty quickly 10 or 11 staff in the staffroom. Also, out of about 20 staff (possibly more) only 2 of us wore masks. We've been asked to wear visors rather than masks with the kids. School have provided them. They're shit. I'll be wearing my mask.

I also do not give it long before it collapses into chaos. Cases rising in surrounding countries. Somehow (via wishful thinking probably) a lot of our staff seem oblivious to this. I even heard one "I can't go through all that again." Well you're probably going to have to...

Are staff meant to socially distance queue outside the staff room to make a cuppa?its not break time is long enough to make a cuppa and drink it