Yes.
Re-opening Schools?
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Sadly middle leaders now being asked to supervise so teachers likely to kick back as currently with only 15 key worker/ vulnerable children in, we have no social distancing, no ppe and little to no other infection control measures.
Teachers also asking what is the worth of this limited return to school, considering the risks to teachers, students and families. Many staff will have to come in on public transport. And year 10 students are 15/16 so not really in the lowest risk category any more, especially when you add in other factors like race and class.
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
I wouldn't fault anyone for playing it safe...
The Forest Schools lady was delivering activity packs to families
Thora
Differently Ethical
Yes it was initially - from 13th May they have said key worker children can attend even if they could stay at home.
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
The Brave New World (Best Case Scenario):
www.theguardian.com
Distanced drop-offs and protective bubbles: England's new school rules
The schools reopening from 1 June will look very different to the ones that closed in March
Thora
Differently Ethical
It's not what we're currently used to, but it's not horrendous is itThe Brave New World (Best Case Scenario):
Distanced drop-offs and protective bubbles: England's new school rules
The schools reopening from 1 June will look very different to the ones that closed in March
Lots of children have spent the last 2 months stuck inside with no one to play with and parents working - that isn't ideal either.
There won't be soft toys and they'll have their own pencil case, but they will cope. The most important thing for most children will be seeing their friends and teacher. I don't actually remember having even balls and hoops at play time when I was at school, let alone play equipment.
I'm a childminder and have also implemented lots of these measures and we've all been fine.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I wouldn't fault anyone for playing it safe...
The Forest Schools lady was delivering activity packs to families
As per below children seem remarkably unlikely to die from covid 19.
Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Number of deaths registered each month in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19), by age, sex and region.
www.ons.gov.uk
bimble
floofy
good morning do you not understand that everyone knows this but that evidence (contested though) suggests children when infected carry as much viral load as anyone else and will pass it on and that’s what the problem is?
andysays
Love and solidarity
The primary risk isn't children dying from covid 19, it's asymptomatic children transmitting to other children, who then transmit to members of their household, who then either die as a result or transmit to others, eg their workmates, or both.
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
But it probably doesn't help that a high-profile early death here was a 13 year old boy, and that BAME families, or families where one or both parent is a keyworker, are more likely to know someone who's died of covid.
Local kids might be just as safe as the middle class white children I see in the park, if they each had a wfh parent to take them out for fresh air one by one, but I still wouldn't blame their parents for doing what feels safest for their families at the moment. (And its probably true that being stuck inside an overcrowded flat is less safe than being safely outside... but if the parents don't have a way of taking them outside safely, they aren't going to)
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
You've misspelt fuck off
And you've missed the point that these kids will only be passing it on to old fogies and why should we bother,
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Fuck it, you're finally going on ignore for your constant stream of idiotic ill-thought out posts that contribute fuck all of value to any discussion.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
You've misspelt fuck off
And you've missed the point that these kids will only be passing it on to old fogies and why should we bother,
I haven't called anyone an "old fogie". It is an obvious fact that old people are more likely to die generally. By the time you are in your eighties and nineties the odds of death are remarkably high. Covid makes that more likely. This makes covid unlike some other mass infections. During the polio outbreak in the 1950's , for example, the young were affected more than the old. Patrick Cockburn · Diary: The 1956 Polio Epidemic · LRB 7 May 2020
I fully accept that not allowing children to attend school for a few weeks was a proportionate response to the peak of the epidemic. We have now passed that peak and the risk/ harm balance decisions that are taken in all areas of life need to be reviewed. I am yet to be convinced, despite the bluster from some, that it is better for children to not be given the opportunity to attend their schools.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
She's a dangerous nutcase.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
No 10 retreats as rebellion over schools gathers pace
Up to 1,500 English primary schools defy or cast doubt on 1 June reopeningCoronavirus – latest updatesSee all our coronavirus coverage
baldrick
hmmmmm
She's a controversial figure for sure. But you can't say she hasn't put her money where her mouth is. I have a lot of respect for what she's done if I'm honest. But she is a relentless self promotor!
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
No problem. I don't really want to go into using my family as a discussion point as I am not sure what it proves either way.
Answer is yes to the children. Don't currently work in education but have in the past.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Whether or not you agree with her core aim of building a four hundred foot statue of herself using only human skulls, you must admire the level of application and commitment she's brought to the project.
I think the main point the unions are making is once this can be evidenced, so do they.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
The suggestion by some here appears to be that people who suggest schools should re-open are witting or unwitting dupes of a tory plot to drive people back to work via school re-openings and therefore heartless as they are willing to sacrifice the elderly.
Obviously, if people leave their homes, in the short term more people will die. Even if it be by increased road traffic. This doesn't make all proponents of school re-openings fools or heartless. It just means people have different ways of looking at risk. I would argue that mine is fairer and more balanced than those who want children to be kept out of school for what is becoming an extended period.
Students will not be returning to full time school with their classes and teachers. The benefits for these students for only 6 or 7 weeks of school is not that great, perhaps one day a week like in Germany, especially when weighed up against the risk. Most European countries and North America would be starting their summer holidays anyway by now.
Many of the most vulnerable will not be going back to school for many reasons, to name but a few: They are medically vulnerable and still shielding, it is not compulsory, the government has removed statutory rights for support for the most vulnerable and parents are being told that violent students, incontinent students, etc will not be supported in the ways that keep them safe.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Even leaving my own views aside for a moment, I know of school leaders - who are desperate to get their schools fully open and who are no friends of the Unions - tearing their hair out at Johnson's announcements. They know there is no way they can do even this limited reopening "safely" and that "getting back to normal" is not on the table, at all.
Treacle Toes
Time
You seem simply too dishonest to have this conversation with. Why is that? Why are you ignoring what has already happened?
If people are pointing to Tory policies and rhetoric erroneously do point that out? Cos this some suggest that others suggest that Tory voters suggest nonsense is a waste of all of our time.
You are arguing this because you have weighed up the risk and don't fear you and yours dying. If not, your position makes no sense whatsoever.
ska invita
back on the other side
tbf there is pressure on Starmer to come off the fence....
The London Evening Standard this evening.
Edited by Osbourne. Its about breaking the Unions.View attachment 213572
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Also worth noting, that even at the best of times this arse end of the Summer term is not the most "productive" academically. The idea that getting some students from some year groups back for some days over the remaining few weeks to often not be taught by subject specialists will somehow prevent the achievement gap further widening is utter fantasy.
(There are benefits for the kids in going back, many benefits, but Education with a big E isn't one of them)
(There are benefits for the kids in going back, many benefits, but Education with a big E isn't one of them)
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