Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry

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[AverageJoe]

Take a week off. I insist!

Just a week?

Man's going to come back at me hard after 7 days of not being able to vent.

I'm going to get it hard. Why are you protecting this returner?

Genuine question.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

AverageJoe won the battle of the Joes. It could be said then that Joe Chi Min is below average.

 

[AverageJoe]

I don't think it was a battle tbh.

 

[LDC]

I don't think it was a battle tbh.

He turned up armed but then promptly shot himself in the foot.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just a week?

Man's going to come back at me hard after 7 days of not being able to vent.

I'm going to get it hard. Why are you protecting this returner?

Genuine question.

He seems to fixate and then meltdown, not sure he should be allowed back, the recurring patten is noted in the FAQ's and yet the mods, bless 'em are often soft enough to give folk a second or third chance.




Anyway, why's the Dispatches programme only on Brand, surely Walliams, J Carr and a fuckton of other sleezeoids maybe worthy of a nosey?

 

[editor]

Just a week?

Man's going to come back at me hard after 7 days of not being able to vent.

I'm going to get it hard. Why are you protecting this returner?

Genuine question.

If it's so important -> feedback forum

 

[Ranbay]

I find it incredibly hard to believe an ex junkie and sex addict had nothing but full respect for every woman he met. Just don’t make sense.

 

[tonysingh]

He seems to fixate and then meltdown, not sure he should be allowed back, the recurring patten is noted in the FAQ's and yet the mods, bless 'em are often soft enough to give folk a second or third chance.




Anyway, why's the Dispatches programme only on Brand, surely Walliams, J Carr and a fuckton of other sleezeoids maybe worthy of a nosey?

I'd be fucking devastated if Jimmy Carr turns out to be a wrong un.

 

[Humberto]

I'd be fucking devastated if Jimmy Carr turns out to be a wrong un.

Think he is based on his Gypsy holocaust 'joke'.

 

[Thora]

I think we've learned that any comedian who cultivates an edgy persona and makes 'ironic' misogynistic jokes should be viewed with suspicion.

 

[tonysingh]

Think he is based on his Gypsy holocaust 'joke'.

Yeah, that did lessen the appeal but I meant more sexual based wrong un.

Maybe the answer is to stop liking anyone.

 

[ouirdeaux]

You mean you started?

 

[Serge Forward]

Don't know much about Jimmy Carr but isn't he meant to be a well known twat?

 

[RD2003]

Don't know much about Jimmy Carr but isn't he meant to be a well known twat?

DP

 

[RD2003]

Don't know much about Jimmy Carr but isn't he meant to be a well known twat?

Not being that familiar with contemporary comedians, it's Alan Carr I used to picture when people would go on about what a baddie Jimmy is, thinking 'He seems pretty inoffensive to me.'

I think it might be summat to do with the surname.

Not sure I've ever even seen Jimmy Carr.

 

[Elpenor]

Didn’t Jimmy Carr do a tour called “rapier wit”?

Edit - 2009

Jimmy Carr: Rapier Wit : Chortle : The UK Comedy Guide

Jimmy Carr: Rapier Wit - Edinburgh Fringe 2009

www.chortle.co.uk

 

[Rob Ray]

His routine is quite tiresome shock stuff, but he's only ever been accused of tax dodging in his personal life afaik.

Edit: Actually looking around there is this.

 

[Elpenor]

It’s probably says a lot about him that he found the wordplay between the rapier sword and the word rape amusing and he is undoubtedly a smug Tory twat but it’s not illegal to be one

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I don't think it was a battle tbh.

Probably not the thread for witticisms but don’t piss on my parade either!

 

[Serge Forward]

His routine is quite tiresome shock stuff, but he's only ever been accused of tax dodging in his personal life afaik.

Edit: Actually looking around there is this.

That was it, the tax dodging. Didn't know about the dressing room thing. But yes, a fucking wrong un.

 

[tonysingh]

Well, don't I feel foolish now. Having liked Carr and seen him live a couple times.

 

[Humberto]

Well, don't I feel foolish now. Having liked Carr and seen him live a couple times.

I think Brand had his fans on here tbf Tony.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It's easy to get self righteous, shouting 'somebody knew, somebody should have done something''. All sorts of institutional pressures maybe even fear of repercussions. But some people would have a very clear sense of what he was like, the stories in circulation and the accusations made over the years. And well, I'd imagine his agent would have been well up on that list.

The Savile case was staggering in the volume of abuse and the length of time it went on, with several points it could have been stopped/several people and institutions who should have done more. But as someone said upthread, Brand's abuse seems to have been much more in the 'semi-public domain', or at least behind the flimsy veil of the entertainment industry. Female comedians having to build their own networks to warn each other from going anywhere near him, fucking hell, what a society we live in. And we know full well how it worked, without the need for any of the inquiries, that depressing tale of gender, power, money and institutional cowardice, probably with a few threats of legal action against whistle blowers in there as well.

I think there's a really thorny issue in general (in the entertainment industry sure but more widely too) with how this sort of thing fits with a big range of 'lesser' sexist behaviours that aren't necessarily illegal. The sort of thing that gets pointed to when something like this comes out and everyone goes 'oh it was obvious.' What are the implications of it doesn't though? Everything is fine? Innocent until proven guilty? Something else?

 

[pbsmooth]

His routine is quite tiresome shock stuff, but he's only ever been accused of tax dodging in his personal life afaik.

Edit: Actually looking around there is this.

Story from The Sun and while it sounds potentially dodgy I think we really might be in hearsay and jumping to conclusions territory with that one based on that article alone.

 

[Humberto]

Story from The Sun and while it sounds potentially dodgy I think we really might be in hearsay and jumping to conclusions territory with that one based on that article alone.

Yeah 'an anonymous source told the Sun' is likely made up bollocks.

 

[Wilf]

I think Brand had his fans on here tbf Tony.

This set me off looking for an ancient thread on Brand:

Russell Brand on Revolution

I'm surprised there's not a separate thread on this since everybody's discussing it everywhere else.

www.urban75.net

It's 114 pages and I only contributed to few pages in the second half of the thread, so I don't know/can't remember what the whole discussion covered. There was however a fair bit about whether his new leftist persona had 'learned from' or 'moved on' from his past. What was known about that past, from the bits I've just looked at, wasn't anything like as bad as what we know now. However there was discussion about his general treatment of women amid his 'sex addiction' and also whether he was a pick up artist. Here's a clip that was linked on the thread. It wasn't as gross as some of the rapey pick up artist stuff, but, well...


There was also a link to this gruesome article:

Russell Brand Seduction Techniques: Analysis

How does Russell Brand seduce women? Check out this analysis of how Russell Brand flirts with women and what makes him so attractive.

thepowermoves.com

Hidden in plain site? Erm, yep. And how the fuck did 'we' allow the twat to get anywhere near the left (in as much as he ever was 'allowed'. More a case of creating another messiah spot for himself as he now occupies on the far right)?

P.S. I don't think it's a good idea to mine that thread to see who was right and wrong, either about the politics or his morality (and what turned out to be his crimes). What was interesting for me was the Pick Up stuff, adding to the idea of what was already in view. And how small a step it is from 'organised seductions' through to sexual offences.

 

[Humberto]

What was interesting for me was the Pick Up stuff, adding to the idea of what was already in view. And how small a step it is from 'organised seductions' through to sexual offences.

Agree.

 

[Wilf]

Didn’t Jimmy Carr do a tour called “rapier wit”?

Edit - 2009

Jimmy Carr: Rapier Wit : Chortle : The UK Comedy Guide

Jimmy Carr: Rapier Wit - Edinburgh Fringe 2009

www.chortle.co.uk

Also, Frankie Boyle, who used to write for Carr iirc, has rape 'jokes' in his set. Afaik, he's never been accused of anything and he comes out with rape lines (I would guess) purely to invert your expectations. But still, just fuck off

 

[Rob Ray]

Boyle was pretty vile back in the day, but seems to have given up on the shock-for-the-sake-of-it stuff in the latter half of the 2010s afaict. New World Order onwards he's tended to be more interesting.