Prince Harry

[Treacle Toes]

I don’t know Andrew Pierce so don’t know if he has form or if there’s another agenda I’m not aware of, but what is wrong in saying you don’t see a black woman you just see a beautiful woman? Is the inference she’s beautiful therefore she can’t be black? Am I naive in thinking that not seeing the colour of her skin is being the opposite of racist?

His twitter handle is ToryBoyPierce.... What he said is I see her beauty first not her Blackness, not like with Oprah who I see as Black first.

 

[1927]

But to have avoided all images of the royal wedding, where her mother- who clearly is black- was prominent, is quite a feat.

To be fair Urban isn’t renowned for its fascination of the royal family.

 

[Edie]

To be fair Urban isn’t renowned for its fascination of the royal family.

Not going by this thread

 

[8ball]

So the same as not realising Meghan is black!

I personally would say it’s fairly obvious that Meghan’s ancestry isn’t all European, and certainly largely not Northern European. Though I do remember “divorced” and “older” being slung about early on too.

 

[killer b]

But to have avoided all images of the royal wedding, where her mother- who clearly is black- was prominent, is quite a feat.

I think I probably knew by then tbh. But I don't remember seeing many pics of the wedding, I hate all that shit and avoid it as much as possible.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I already answered this question when you asked why/when I capitalise the word white.

Which part of the question? I get the feeling we are talking past each other.

 

[1927]

His twitter handle is ToryBoyPierce.... What he said is I see her beauty first not her Blackness, not like with Oprah who I see as Black first.

He didn’t actually say that tho did he.

 

[Orang Utan]

I personally would say it’s fairly obvious that Meghan’s ancestry isn’t all European, and certainly largely not Northern European. Though I do remember “divorced” and “older” being slung about early on too.

About Meghan? How old is she? Is she divorced? Or are you talking about Wallis Simpson?

 

[Orang Utan]

He didn’t actually say that tho did he.

Yes he did. Did you not listen to it?

 

[Treacle Toes]

He didn’t actually say that tho did he.

That's the meaning of what he said. Listen again if you don't believe me.

 

[D'wards]

Seems to me Meghan's problems didn't really stem from the actual royals but the Cummings/Campbell/Tucker type shady characters running tings from the shadows

 

[8ball]

About Meghan? How old is she? Is she divorced? Or are you talking about Wallis Simpson?

Yeah. She’s only something like 2 years older than Harry I think but the Firm has this sort of thing in mind when considering spare spares production, and she has been married before if I remember right.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Which part of the question? I get the feeling we are talking past each other.

You've asked why I capitalise Black or White and when. I have explained already.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Seems to me Meghan's problems didn't really stem from the actual royals but the Cummings/Campbell/Tucker type shady characters running tings from the shadows

Meghan doesn't have the 'problems'.

 

[Gramsci]

Come on - no one is suggesting he was abusive. Families fall out and feud- God knows mine can feud for England, but it all comes out in the wash.
I'm of the opinion that God chooses your family but you choose your own friends, and conversely blood is thicker than water.

Whilst it's an option I think you need to consider very carefully before cutting lose a close family member. They need to have done something pretty bad I reckon.

Man turns his back on his family well he just ain't no good as Bruce Springsteen pointed out in the 80s

I did for many years

I do object to this idea that "blood is thicker than water".

Its a view that is so commonly held that its never questioned.

I'm not clear are you criticising Harry in this post or his family?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

You've asked why I capitalise Black or White and when. I have explained already.

Ok whatever. I’m trying genuinely to have a productive conversation with you but you seem to want to make it impossible. Forget the whole thing.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeah. She’s only something like 2 years older than Harry I think but the Firm has this sort of thing in mind when considering spare spares production, and she has been married before if I remember right.

Fucking hell, such a rotten institution

I wonder what Sasaferrato would think if Harry had fallen in love with a fella

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ok whatever. I’m trying genuinely to have a productive conversation with you but you seem to want to make it impossible. Forget the whole thing.

Eh? What haven't I answered? Stop telling me I am offended or making it impossible, i'm not. What don't you understand about what I've said in response to your questions?

 

[Serge Forward]

100% a thing only said by racist IME

Nah, I'll tell you who don't see skin colour and are not racist... babies and toddlers. They have to wait a bit before they get all the racist crap stuffed into their heads. Race is a social construct, and the more integrated into the current society you are, then the more aware one becomes about race (and loads of other things). An adult who claims to be really colour blind is either deluded, racist, pretending to be more anti racist than thou, or is a fucking liar.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nah, I'll tell you who don't see skin colour and are not racist... babies and toddlers. They have to wait a bit before they get all the racist crap stuffed into their heads. Race is a social construct, and the more integrated into the current society you are, then the more aware one becomes about race (and loads of other things). An adult who claims to be really colour blind is either deluded, racist, pretending to be more anti racist than thou, or is a fucking liar.

Toddlers don't say 'I don't see colour'...ask them and they will tell you straight what they see, without the value judgememt attached.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The divorced thing they have now got over, obviously it was an abdication event in the 1930’s, but now Anne, PizzaNonce and Chaz have all divorced, with Chaz going on to marry a divorcee, they’ve pretty much had to.

 

[killer b]

Nah, I'll tell you who don't see skin colour and are not racist... babies and toddlers. They have to wait a bit before they get all the racist crap stuffed into their heads. Race is a social construct, and the more integrated into the current society you are, then the more aware one becomes about race (and loads of other things). An adult who claims to be really colour blind is either deluded, racist, pretending to be more anti racist than thou, or is a fucking liar.

Babies never say 'I don't see colour me' though, like adult racists in denial do.

 

[8ball]

Fucking hell, such a rotten institution

I wonder what Sasaferrato would think if Harry had fallen in love with a fella

That would have been an interesting scenario all round. I’m not convinced from this thread that Sass is a racist, though - a lot of people have read a lot of stuff about her behaving really badly, and I expect have taken against her for that reason.

 

[Serge Forward]

Toddlers don't day 'I don't see colour'...ask them and they will tell you straight what they see, without the value judgememt attached.

Fair point.

 

[8ball]

Babies never say 'I don't see colour me' though, like adult racists in denial do.

I take it you’ve read some of the more recent research in this regard regarding babies as young as three months.

 

[Orang Utan]

That would have been an interesting scenario all round. I’m not convinced from this thread that Sass is a racist, though - a lot of people have read a lot of stuff about her behaving really badly, and I expect have taken against her for that reason.

I’d like to know what this behaviour is

 

[D'wards]

Fucking hell, such a rotten institution

I wonder what Sasaferrato would think if Harry had fallen in love with a fella

There has been some (fucking stupid) speculation that Prince George is gay based on his camp innocent little boy poses. He has been "claimed" by a few gay nobheads.

That said, if he did grow up and realised he was gay it would be very interesting for there to be a gay monarch - all the heir and a spare stuff.

 

[8ball]

I’d like to know what this behaviour is

I just got a background hubbub sense of entitlement, contempt for protocols, being generally demanding - someone following it would have a better idea of specifics.

Not saying it’s true, just that was my sense of the content of what the media was churning out. Sass would be better on the details.

 

[8ball]

There has been some (fucking stupid) speculation that Prince George is gay based on his camp innocent little boy poses. He has been "claimed" by a few gay nobheads.

That said, if he did grow up and realised he was gay it would be very interesting for there to be a gay monarch - all the heir and a spare stuff.

There have been workarounds for this sort of thing for ever.

 

[Orang Utan]

WTF? Where do you read this shit?