Prince Harry

[1927]

Fucking hell, that was like a gut punch at 3:05.

(I'd already put the 'like' on before I'd got that far into the video based on what Bonnie had said so far)

I don’t know Andrew Pierce so don’t know if he has form or if there’s another agenda I’m not aware of, but what is wrong in saying you don’t see a black woman you just see a beautiful woman? Is the inference she’s beautiful therefore she can’t be black? Am I naive in thinking that not seeing the colour of her skin is being the opposite of racist?

 

[killer b]

I don’t know Andrew Pierce so don’t know if he has form or if there’s another agenda I’m not aware of, but what is wrong in saying you don’t see a black woman you just see a beautiful woman? Is the inference she’s beautiful therefore she can’t be black? Am I naive in thinking that not seeing the colour of her skin is being the opposite of racist?

he immediately follows that sentence by saying something about how you can definitely tell oprah is black, so yeah you are being naive.

 

[1927]

he immediately follows that sentence by saying something about how you can definitely tell oprah is black, so yeah you are being naive.

But you can!

 

[ska invita]

True but its hard to have anything pertinent to say when colleagues of Jamaican heritage are telling me why they dislike Nigerians, which a lot of them do.
I believe it goes both ways too, for different reasons. I feel I'm getting into "whitesplaining" territory here though.
My point is, I think as a White bloke I'm best staying out of these type issues as I do not have the capacity to understand where either group is coming from.

how much anyone can intervene effectively when people are being prejudiced is up to the person to judge - pick your battles - but yeah people are prejudiced around the world and in all manner of ways - its not whitesplaining or similiar to check someone for being prejudiced

 

[brogdale]

Henry Martyn had it right.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don’t know Andrew Pierce so don’t know if he has form or if there’s another agenda I’m not aware of, but what is wrong in saying you don’t see a black woman you just see a beautiful woman? Is the inference she’s beautiful therefore she can’t be black? Am I naive in thinking that not seeing the colour of her skin is being the opposite of racist?

I’d never heard of him so I looked him up:

 

[killer b]

But you can!

racism doesn't stop because someone isn't immediately obviously black. Putting aside whether Andrew Pierce equates beauty with whiteness, whether he knew she was mixed race isn't relevant. I didn't know Markle was mixed race either until fairly recently: but the royal family did, and the british press did, and those are the people who're being accused of being racist here.

 

[1927]

racism doesn't stop because someone isn't immediately obviously black. Putting aside whether Andrew Pierce equates beauty with whiteness, whether he knew she was mixed race isn't relevant. I didn't know Markle was mixed race either until fairly recently: but the royal family did, and the british press did, and those are the people who're being accused of being racist here.

That I do understand. And like you I didn’t even realise her race until it became an issue.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

 

[MickiQ]

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Why is there a dead body propped up on one side of the photo?

 

[bimble]

Am I naive in thinking that not seeing the colour of her skin is being the opposite of racist?

Oh gawd. Yes, you are being naive, or a less kind word would be ignorant. "I don't even see skin colour me" is a thing said by people who have either not spent 2 seconds thinking about these issues ever or who are lying for a reason.

 

[killer b]

Oh gawd. Yes, you are being naive, or a less kind word would be ignorant. "I don't even see skin colour me" is a thing said by people who have either not spent 2 seconds thinking about these issues ever or who are lying for a reason.

100% a thing only said by racist IME

 

[8ball]

100% a thing only said by racist IME

I don’t think 100%, but pretty commonly.

Very clearly so in the case of that Andrew Pierce guy.

 

[Edie]

racism doesn't stop because someone isn't immediately obviously black. Putting aside whether Andrew Pierce equates beauty with whiteness, whether he knew she was mixed race isn't relevant. I didn't know Markle was mixed race either until fairly recently: but the royal family did, and the british press did, and those are the people who're being accused of being racist here.

How the actual fuck have you avoided knowing that?! I’m actually impressed!

 

[1927]

100% a thing only said by racist IME

What about Ryan Giggs? How many people have ever considered him to be black?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh gawd. Yes, you are being naive, or a less kind word would be ignorant. "I don't even see skin colour me" is a thing said by people who have either not spent 2 seconds thinking about these issues ever or who are lying for a reason.

Or people who have consciously made the decision to try and treat people the same regardless of colour.

 

[bimble]

Or people who have consciously made the decision to try and treat people the same regardless of colour.

That’s not the same as “I don’t see skin colour”.
We all live in a deeply racist society, claiming to be not in any way a part of that is at best ignorant. Work towards being an anti racist, in your words and actions, great, but just counting yourself out as above and unbesmirched by the structural reality in which you exist is stupid and dishonest, imo.

 

[8ball]

What about Ryan Giggs? How many people have ever considered him to be black?

That’s not “not seeing skin colour” - that’s just a guy from a mixed race background who falls into general Caucasian norms of appearance.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

That’s not the same as “I don’t see skin colour”.

That’s how I’ve always interpreted the phrase. I don’t think anyone means that they literally don’t see skin colour. That would be mad.

 

[killer b]

How the actual fuck have you avoided knowing that?! I’m actually impressed!

I don't normally pay much attention to whats going on in the Royal family, other than to make extra space in the lime pit when a new one appears.

 

[Treacle Toes]

True but its hard to have anything pertinent to say when colleagues of Jamaican heritage are telling me why they dislike Nigerians, which a lot of them do.

I believe it goes both ways too, for different reasons.

I feel I'm getting into "whitesplaining" territory here though.
My point is, I think as a White bloke I'm best staying out of these type issues as I do not have the capacity to understand where either group is coming from.

But on this thread you are not witnessing a conversation about or by Jamacians and Nigerians and 'tribalism' or interalised competition between the two.

You are talking about something you have a far greater connection with and that's why you have/had an opinion. That's why you didn't choose to stay out of it.

 

[Edie]

Or people who have consciously made the decision to try and treat people the same regardless of colour.

Or the older generation who are trying not to be racist. Understanding by white people about race has changed in the last decade. Not everyone has kept up. I know my understanding really changed when I read Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race.

 

[1927]

That’s not “not seeing skin colour” - that’s just a guy from a mixed race background who falls into general Caucasian norms of appearance.

So the same as not realising Meghan is black!

 

[Orang Utan]

How the actual fuck have you avoided knowing that?! I’m actually impressed!

I didn’t know either. At first I thought the sneering was cos she was American. The Royals have form in that regard

 

[Treacle Toes]

Is there any reason why you usually capitalise the word black? I know some people make a conceptual distinction between the uppercase and lowercases uses. I’m not saying this is what you are doing, I’m just wondering if you can fill me in a bit on what that might be about. I’m not much of an academic.

I already answered this question when you asked why/when I capitalise the word white.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I never notice people's skin colour. Or their hair colour. Or their sex. Or their height, weight, eye colour, facial hair, tattoos, piercings, clothing, make-up. Not me.

 

[Edie]

I don't normally pay much attention to whats going on in the Royal family, other than to make extra space in the lime pit when a new one appears.

But to have avoided all images of the royal wedding, where her mother- who clearly is black- was prominent, is quite a feat.

 

[Orang Utan]

But to have avoided all images of the royal wedding, where her mother- who clearly is black- was prominent, is quite a feat.

No it isn’t, it’s a piece of piss

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Or the older generation who are trying not to be racist. Understanding by white people about race has changed in the last decade. Not everyone has kept up. I know my understanding really changed when I read Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race.

Haven’t read the book, but it sounds rather depressing. Older people trying not to be racist seems a lot better than older people trying to be.

 

[two sheds]

But to have avoided all images of the royal wedding, where her mother- who clearly is black- was prominent, is quite a feat.

I did that too