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Orang Utan said:
Popelore is weird - don’t the cardinals also make new popes sit on a chair with a hole in in the seat then lift them above their heads, Jewish-wedding-style, so they can inspect their genitalia?
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Is this anything to do with Pope Joan who was accidentallied (because female) voted in as Pope?

Also, there's nothing to stop a woman being a Cardinal. De facto they get elected from the priesthood but they don't have to be. They sit outside the ordained hierarchy as glorified church wardens.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
A more believable but less interesting answer than undead popes.
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I was thinking the other day that there's loads of things I believe to be true that are most likely transparent bollocks, but remain true in my head because I was told them before it was easy to check whether something was real on the internet, and here's an example right away. The golden age of the bullshitter was surely the 1990s
 
killer b said:
I was thinking the other day that there's loads of things I believe to be true that are most likely transparent bollocks, but remain true in my head because I was told them before it was easy to check whether something was real on the internet, and here's an example right away. The golden age of the bullshitter was surely the 1990s
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No, it's def now with all the fuckwitted conspiracy nonsense that's spewed all over the internet
 
cesare said:
I've just had a BBC alert about "the enduring anguish of being the spare".

Reminds me that Andrew must have had the same spare-related "enduring anguish".

"Enduring anguish"

O wot anguish ect
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On one level it's quite funny, I mean, imagine the anguish experienced by someone so privileged, right? It's absurd that someone in his position should complain about their lot in life, right?

But on another level, he's a human being, a son, a brother, a husband, in an extremely dysfunctional family.

I mean, much of the stuff he's had to deal with would've been a headfuck for any child:

  • the public knowledge of his parents adultery and their acrimonious divorce
  • the death of his mother in a tragic accident/suspicious circumstances (whether or not you think she might've been bumped off or whether the chasing paparazzi might've caused the accident)
  • the requirement for two recently bereaved, devastated, traumatised children, to publicly walk the funeral route in front of crowds and the world's press
  • the stereotypical 'wicked stepmother' who they didn't want their father to remarry
  • and, yes, the 'spare' bit does come into it, to the extent that such favouritism would be hurtful to any child who was aware that their one of their siblings was clearly their parents' favourite. With the best will in the world, and even if his mum and dad sincerely tried not to favour one over the other, the family as an institution was set up so as to specifically favour one child over all others. Imagine how a regular child might feel, how any of you might've felt as a child, if you felt/knew that your mum and/or dad had a favourite child and it clearly wasn't you?
  • being packed off to boarding school

...and that's just the childhood stuff.

Then as an adult, the unloved/less-loved offspring, the black sheep of the family:

  • joining the army and going into combat - lots of ex-forces end up suffering from PTSD because of their experiences. Just because someone's had a relatively privileged upbringing, doesn't make them immune to it. He's referred to his number of kills, and explained how his army training effectively desensitised him and dehumanised the enemy
  • living life in the public eye, due to a position he was born into. It's not like he grew up craving to be famous.
- the resulting press intrusion not only cost him previous relationships, when his girlfriends didn't want to embrace public life, but also...
- he genuinely feared for his own safety and that of his girlfriends, because of what happened to his mother when being chased by the paparazzi

No, he doesn't have to worry about how to pay the bills, so yes he's a lot better off than most who are worried about the cost of living crisis. But money doesn't make you happy. It only means you're not unhappy due to financial pressures.

Rich people can still be desperately unhappy, traumatised, stressed out, under pressure. In many respects he has an easy life, but in others, he doesn't, he has a difficult life, phone hacked/followed by the press, lost his mother as a child, arguably due to their actions, his family is totally fucked up and they've fucked him up.

Superficially, many might say they wouldn't mind living such a 'hard life' as he has, with his multimillion inheritance, multimillion Netflix deal, house in California, wife and children and dogs and chickens, etc. Sounds idyllic right?

But you can't go anywhere or so anything without coordinating it with a security team who need to guard you 24/7. You - and your family - receive credible death threats. The Taliban put a bounty on your head. The threats to your and your family's lives are real. (The IRA assassinated your great uncle.) And even if you/they don't get deliberately killed, there's always the risk of the paparazzi causing another accident.

Would you choose to live a life like that?
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
On one level it's quite funny, I mean, imagine the anguish experienced by someone so privileged, right? It's absurd that someone in his position should complain about their lot in life, right?

But on another level, he's a human being, a son, a brother, a husband, in an extremely dysfunctional family.

I mean, much of the stuff he's had to deal with would've been a headfuck for any child:

  • the public knowledge of his parents adultery and their acrimonious divorce
  • the death of his mother in a tragic accident/suspicious circumstances (whether or not you think she might've been bumped off or whether the chasing paparazzi might've caused the accident)
  • the requirement for two recently bereaved, devastated, traumatised children, to publicly walk the funeral route in front of crowds and the world's press
  • the stereotypical 'wicked stepmother' who they didn't want their father to remarry
  • and, yes, the 'spare' bit does come into it, to the extent that such favouritism would be hurtful to any child who was aware that their one of their siblings was clearly their parents' favourite. With the best will in the world, and even if his mum and dad sincerely tried not to favour one over the other, the family as an institution was set up so as to specifically favour one child over all others. Imagine how a regular child might feel, how any of you might've felt as a child, if you felt/knew that your mum and/or dad had a favourite child and it clearly wasn't you?
  • being packed off to boarding school

...and that's just the childhood stuff.

Then as an adult, the unloved/less-loved offspring, the black sheep of the family:

  • joining the army and going into combat - lots of ex-forces end up suffering from PTSD because of their experiences. Just because someone's had a relatively privileged upbringing, doesn't make them immune to it. He's referred to his number of kills, and explained how his army training effectively desensitised him and dehumanised the enemy
  • living life in the public eye, due to a position he was born into. It's not like he grew up craving to be famous.
  • the resulting press intrusion not only cost him previous relationships, when his girlfriends didn't want to embrace public life, but also...
  • he genuinely feared for his own safety and that of his girlfriends, because of what happened to his mother when being chased by the paparazzi

No, he doesn't have to worry about how to pay the bills, so yes he's a lot better off than most who are worried about the cost of living crisis. But money doesn't make you happy. It only means you're not unhappy due to financial pressures.

Rich people can still be desperately unhappy, traumatised, stressed out, under pressure. In many respects he has an easy life, but in others, he doesn't, he has a difficult life, phone hacked/followed by the press, lost his mother as a child, arguably due to their actions, his family is totally fucked up and they've fucked him up.

Superficially, many might say they wouldn't mind living such a 'hard life' as he has, with his multimillion inheritance, multimillion Netflix deal, house in California, wife and children and dogs and chickens, etc. Sounds idyllic right?

But you can't go anywhere or so anything without coordinating it with a security team who need to guard you 24/7. You - and your family - receive credible death threats. The Taliban put a bounty on your head. The threats to your and your family's lives are real. (The IRA assassinated your great uncle.) And even if you/they don't get deliberately killed, there's always the risk of the paparazzi causing another accident.

Would you choose to live a life like that?
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He could have just walked away and found, or tried to find closure. But he's exploiting all the above.
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
On one level it's quite funny, I mean, imagine the anguish experienced by someone so privileged, right? It's absurd that someone in his position should complain about their lot in life, right?

But on another level, he's a human being, a son, a brother, a husband, in an extremely dysfunctional family.

I mean, much of the stuff he's had to deal with would've been a headfuck for any child:

  • the public knowledge of his parents adultery and their acrimonious divorce
  • the death of his mother in a tragic accident/suspicious circumstances (whether or not you think she might've been bumped off or whether the chasing paparazzi might've caused the accident)
  • the requirement for two recently bereaved, devastated, traumatised children, to publicly walk the funeral route in front of crowds and the world's press
  • the stereotypical 'wicked stepmother' who they didn't want their father to remarry
  • and, yes, the 'spare' bit does come into it, to the extent that such favouritism would be hurtful to any child who was aware that their one of their siblings was clearly their parents' favourite. With the best will in the world, and even if his mum and dad sincerely tried not to favour one over the other, the family as an institution was set up so as to specifically favour one child over all others. Imagine how a regular child might feel, how any of you might've felt as a child, if you felt/knew that your mum and/or dad had a favourite child and it clearly wasn't you?
  • being packed off to boarding school

...and that's just the childhood stuff.

Then as an adult, the unloved/less-loved offspring, the black sheep of the family:

  • joining the army and going into combat - lots of ex-forces end up suffering from PTSD because of their experiences. Just because someone's had a relatively privileged upbringing, doesn't make them immune to it. He's referred to his number of kills, and explained how his army training effectively desensitised him and dehumanised the enemy
  • living life in the public eye, due to a position he was born into. It's not like he grew up craving to be famous.
  • the resulting press intrusion not only cost him previous relationships, when his girlfriends didn't want to embrace public life, but also...
  • he genuinely feared for his own safety and that of his girlfriends, because of what happened to his mother when being chased by the paparazzi

No, he doesn't have to worry about how to pay the bills, so yes he's a lot better off than most who are worried about the cost of living crisis. But money doesn't make you happy. It only means you're not unhappy due to financial pressures.

Rich people can still be desperately unhappy, traumatised, stressed out, under pressure. In many respects he has an easy life, but in others, he doesn't, he has a difficult life, phone hacked/followed by the press, lost his mother as a child, arguably due to their actions, his family is totally fucked up and they've fucked him up.

Superficially, many might say they wouldn't mind living such a 'hard life' as he has, with his multimillion inheritance, multimillion Netflix deal, house in California, wife and children and dogs and chickens, etc. Sounds idyllic right?

But you can't go anywhere or so anything without coordinating it with a security team who need to guard you 24/7. You - and your family - receive credible death threats. The Taliban put a bounty on your head. The threats to your and your family's lives are real. (The IRA assassinated your great uncle.) And even if you/they don't get deliberately killed, there's always the risk of the paparazzi causing another accident.

Would you choose to live a life like that?
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No; no-one should have to...it's why they all need to be shot in a basement.
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
On one level it's quite funny, I mean, imagine the anguish experienced by someone so privileged, right? It's absurd that someone in his position should complain about their lot in life, right?

But on another level, he's a human being, a son, a brother, a husband, in an extremely dysfunctional family.

I mean, much of the stuff he's had to deal with would've been a headfuck for any child:

  • the public knowledge of his parents adultery and their acrimonious divorce
  • the death of his mother in a tragic accident/suspicious circumstances (whether or not you think she might've been bumped off or whether the chasing paparazzi might've caused the accident)
  • the requirement for two recently bereaved, devastated, traumatised children, to publicly walk the funeral route in front of crowds and the world's press
  • the stereotypical 'wicked stepmother' who they didn't want their father to remarry
  • and, yes, the 'spare' bit does come into it, to the extent that such favouritism would be hurtful to any child who was aware that their one of their siblings was clearly their parents' favourite. With the best will in the world, and even if his mum and dad sincerely tried not to favour one over the other, the family as an institution was set up so as to specifically favour one child over all others. Imagine how a regular child might feel, how any of you might've felt as a child, if you felt/knew that your mum and/or dad had a favourite child and it clearly wasn't you?
  • being packed off to boarding school

...and that's just the childhood stuff.

Then as an adult, the unloved/less-loved offspring, the black sheep of the family:

  • joining the army and going into combat - lots of ex-forces end up suffering from PTSD because of their experiences. Just because someone's had a relatively privileged upbringing, doesn't make them immune to it. He's referred to his number of kills, and explained how his army training effectively desensitised him and dehumanised the enemy
  • living life in the public eye, due to a position he was born into. It's not like he grew up craving to be famous.
  • the resulting press intrusion not only cost him previous relationships, when his girlfriends didn't want to embrace public life, but also...
  • he genuinely feared for his own safety and that of his girlfriends, because of what happened to his mother when being chased by the paparazzi

No, he doesn't have to worry about how to pay the bills, so yes he's a lot better off than most who are worried about the cost of living crisis. But money doesn't make you happy. It only means you're not unhappy due to financial pressures.

Rich people can still be desperately unhappy, traumatised, stressed out, under pressure. In many respects he has an easy life, but in others, he doesn't, he has a difficult life, phone hacked/followed by the press, lost his mother as a child, arguably due to their actions, his family is totally fucked up and they've fucked him up.

Superficially, many might say they wouldn't mind living such a 'hard life' as he has, with his multimillion inheritance, multimillion Netflix deal, house in California, wife and children and dogs and chickens, etc. Sounds idyllic right?

But you can't go anywhere or so anything without coordinating it with a security team who need to guard you 24/7. You - and your family - receive credible death threats. The Taliban put a bounty on your head. The threats to your and your family's lives are real. (The IRA assassinated your great uncle.) And even if you/they don't get deliberately killed, there's always the risk of the paparazzi causing another accident.

Would you choose to live a life like that?
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I was watching the 60 mins interview last night and it did strike me as extremely sad that for years after his mum died he believed she was still alive and would walk back into his life. Both he and William believed this. So when he was 20 he asked to see the evidence file and wanted a new investigation into her death. He says that he didnt see all the photos because an advisor told him it would not be good for him. But he saw what his mum would have seen as she lay in the car dying ..he saw the flashing cameras reflected in the car windows as they photographed her.

That's bound to fuck you up. It also means Diana's casket must have been closed. And neither he nor William got to see her before burial.
 
Aladdin said:
I was watching the 60 mins interview last night and it did strike me as extremely sad that for years after his mum died he believed she was still alive and would walk back into his life. Both he and William believed this. So when he was 20 he asked to see the evidence file and wanted a new investigation into her death. He says that he didnt see all the photos because an advisor told him it would not be good for him. But he saw what his mum would have seen as she lay in the car dying ..he saw the flashing cameras reflected in the car windows as they photographed her.

That's bound to fuck you up. It also means Diana's casket must have been closed. And neither he nor William got to see her before burial.
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I recall at the time that Charles and the sisters saw her. So did the butler, because I once saw him on television say he did her make up. His father and aunts must’ve said they saw her. But yes, it must’ve been closed from that point on. To be honest, seeing someone in a coffin is a horrible experience. I’ve done it once, and never again - even with people extremely close to me, even if I’ve seen them dead or been with them as they died, I’ve never seen them in the coffin. It’s a cold brutal sight. I’m not sure of the wisdom of a child seeing it all. Or maybe it would’ve been wise.

The ‘file’ must’ve contained all kinds of awful things, post-mortem. I can understand why someone removed the worst of it. There are some things you wouldn’t ever want to see. Years ago, I chanced upon the guy who did the autopsy, speaking on television in Norway (Oslo isn’t great for a night out, so I watched it rather than rushing out). He didn’t spare much detail. There was a particularly grim and vivid description of her womb dissection and examination. You wouldn’t want to know that about your mother, let alone see evidence pictures of it or read the official account of it.
 
Aladdin said:
...It also means Diana's casket must have been closed. And neither he nor William got to see her before burial.
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That's pretty normal in England - I've never seen an open casket. I'm 48, so seen the normal amount of deaths.

I'd be tempted to think that the thinking/hoping/fantasising that Diana was still alive would be part of the normal grieving process for children, if the casket had been open they'd simply have come up with a reasoning get around seeing it - it was a fake/wrong body etc...
 
kebabking said:
That's pretty normal in England - I've never seen an open casket. I'm 48, so seen the normal amount of deaths.

I'd be tempted to think that the thinking/hoping/fantasising that Diana was still alive would be part of the normal grieving process for children, if the casket had been open they'd simply have come up with a reasoning get around seeing it - it was a fake/wrong body etc...
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Yes, I‘ve only ever been at one open casket funeral - in America. I sat well back to avoid seeing anything, having already ‘viewed’ someone in a coffin previously and regretted it. I’ve never seen it in the UK. It strikes me as a child’s fantasy - ‘she’s going to come back’ rather than a genuine credible belief that she’d become the latest resident of Elvis and Marilyn Island.
 
kebabking said:
That's pretty normal in England - I've never seen an open casket. I'm 48, so seen the normal amount of deaths.

I'd be tempted to think that the thinking/hoping/fantasising that Diana was still alive would be part of the normal grieving process for children, if the casket had been open they'd simply have come up with a reasoning get around seeing it - it was a fake/wrong body etc...
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Can't imagine The Duke of Ed calling in a favour from someone he'd previously fixed a problem for like Amerigo Bonasera ... "I want you to use all your powers, and all your skills..."
 
Tanya1982 said:
Yes, I‘ve only ever been at one open casket funeral - in America. I sat well back to avoid seeing anything, having already ‘viewed’ someone in a coffin previously and regretted it. I’ve never seen it in the UK. It strikes me as a child’s fantasy - ‘she’s going to come back’ rather than a genuine credible belief that she’d become the latest resident of Elvis and Marilyn Island.
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Or just the usual having to remind yourself person you've recently lost is dead when you think about them that takes a while to wear off. Not to the level of needing to see the evidence
 
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