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He'd have to murder his brother's three children too. Best to go for a helicopter "accident" or something.
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He'd have to murder his brother's three children too. Best to go for a helicopter "accident" or something.
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Starry Wisdom
Taking them on a trip to the Tower of London traditional
It’s your relationship. How you conduct it is your business. How I conduct mine is mine - anything resembling ‘I don’t like/would prefer hair there’ and I’d be done. My sons father gave me him, but I wouldn't have entertained the thought that this gave him a veto over my appearance. I can’t imagine saying it to anyone else (except perhaps a sibling - ‘you look like shit like that’ is exactly the kind of thing you’d say to a brother or sister). I don’t generally find guys with long hair attractive, for instance, but it’s their hair.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I just think we need to get rid of the monarchy tbh. I can't be arsed hating them. Just find it sad and weird. If he had actually been brought as having a normal life/job was a perfectly OK thing to do, then maybe this wouldn't have happened.Some siblings hate each otherAnd the “perfect, can’t do no wrong” versus the “rebellious, acting out, scapegoated/seen as never doing right” sibling pairing is so well known it would be literary cliche in fiction!
But yeah, you’re right, I suspect a lot of free floating anger and resentment (towards people he can’t bear to be angry at, about stuff he still doesn’t quite understand himself) is being focused right at his brother atm.
I’m no monarchist and would have the whole thing scrapped, but psychologically it must be a really weird thing being seen as a “spare”. To cope I imagine you become very resentful or enjoy the relative freedom. Seems he’s doing both.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
with the plasterers trowel in his back pocket
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
When you've had a beard in the past has it been the full Karl marx, a Jeremy corbyn, or maybe a straggly ho chi minh?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Probably doesn't compare to the anguish of having your son or father vaporised by some cunt in a helicopter for the sake of a photo op.
I mean if my mum had been smashed into foie gras because some people wanted a photo of her I'd be less inclined to pander to the press but that's just me.
It’s been interesting to find the ultra nationalist royalist Harry haters proudly on the same side as the Taliban. I’ve seen a couple of articles over the last few days, quoting them as if they’re suddenly some kind of ally. I thought it might’ve been harder fo4 them to square before embracing it as they have. I don’t know why I thought that, it was naive of me to expect consistency over convenience.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
So basically, is all this Harold and Willy shit all about this?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And sitting on a pile of cash smaug would be proud of
I think most families treat children differently? Even if they consciously try not to. Sometimes your personality is just more aligned with one over the other. Even in those who manage to be fair handed on every issue over the course of the lifetimes of all involved, the children themselves will perceive it differently - they’ll always remember that they were reprimanded for something they know (but their parents didn’t find out) their sibling got away with, for example.
I always had the impression that Harry had the better deal. Diana used William as a confidante, whereas Harry was allowed to get on with his childhood without her confiding in him about her sex life, her depression, her media strategy, her feelings towards the rest of the family. William’s view on her as a parent is likely to be far more conflicted than people (and Harry) generally assume, especially considering his being in his mid teens when she died, as opposed to 12.
Twelve year olds still just about think their mummies are wonderful. Fifteen year olds certainly do not.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah I can imagine that's going to raise tensions between them massively
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Or a butt of malmsey being secretly prepared.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
There's a very real sense of the establishment gearing up against him here. The tone seems to be ramping up now, from 'more in sorrow than anger' briefings to full on attacks. I don't have any newspaper subscriptions, but from what I can see outside the paywalls, it's pretty uniform. From lowlife celebrity journalists through to ex army buddies and military top brass - all just as grubby. Can't summon much sympathy for this elite twat who is only now finding out what it is to lose out in an inter-elite battle.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
'so I hear you're a mujahadeen now father'
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Of course it doesn’t, I agree. But being fucked up by one thing doesn’t mean you won’t fuck up yourself in another way. And I’m guessing the press thing is complicated. He may want to tell it to fuck off but on another level he possibly craves its approval, at a level he’s probably not consciously aware of. Same is likely to go for his family.
And of course he’s going to be troubled. There’s all the hierarchy and brotherly comparison mentioned. From the impression given of his dad and grandparents it doesn’t sound like there’s been a lot of warmth there, both through absence (physical and emotional) and protocols. No idea what his mum would have been like but she died when he was 12, at the cusp of adolescence, in a horribly public way.
Did he go to boarding school at some point? There’s a whole thread in nobbing and sobbing talking about how vile those places are. Then there’s the question of how military training and experience would have impacted an already quite fragile psyche, even one bolstered by all that financial and cultural privilege.
Then there’s a whole load of unknown stuff to us about his basic personality, including whether he tends to see things positively or negatively, how easily anxious and/or angry he gets, how sensitive he is in general, how he holds on to resentments etc. And the impact of having to put on a public facade and push his own feelings aside, as he will no doubt have had to do, is huge.
Not quite the same thing but there are families who have another child to help an older child’s health condition (bone marrow transplant for example) and the later feelings around that can be hugely complicated, and need to be very carefully managed. And I somehow doubt that anyone around Harry was thinking about these sorts of things, even if the spare thing was only talked about as a joke. Things adults see as jokes can be interpreted by children very differently.
I personally wouldn’t want to change places with him, despite the eye watering wealth. At all. He’s certainly not the only person to go through harmful experiences and he’s had a massive practical and financial back up that only a tiny minority have. But the flip side of that privilege is that when you do implode, you do it very messily all over the public eye.
Tl;dr: he’s probably very troubled for some really complicated reasons
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
And if he recanted, divorced, came home to the 'the firm' and apologised we know that those same voices would do their very best to rehabilitate him back to the 'lovable' old war hero that he was previously sold as.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Despite which, the monarch still remains Australia's head of state.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
When you woke up today, did you ever think you'd be penning the words 'deterred by a frozen penis'?
Tl;dr: he’s probably very troubled for some really complicated reasons
He does seem very very troubled and as everyone keep saying in the media he could have used better advisors before unleashing all this shit. His interview tonight on ITV has been widely trailed with 'I just want reconciliation with my father and brother'. Days after throwing his entire family under the bus in his book knowing full well they cant/wont reply. I really don't like his chances of this reconciliation.
He does keep speaking about mental health and as someone who has also suffered a lot from that I hope he's getting some decent help.
I don't think she's right, I don't think the monarchy's coming down just yet but it's hard to overstate how much damage this episode plus the death of the Queen has done
www.theguardian.com
Prince Harry’s book could be ‘beginning of end’ for royals, warns Charles’s biographer
Catherine Mayer says anger over racism, misogyny and wealth in the royal family can undermine public consent for a monarchy
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I learned from Mr MacKay, and treat both my kids with equal contempt.
Eton
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Let's hope the great British public finally realise how utterly ridiculous the institution of the monarchy really is.I don't think she's right, I don't think the monarchy's coming down just yet but it's hard to overstate how much damage this episode plus the death of the Queen has done
Prince Harry’s book could be ‘beginning of end’ for royals, warns Charles’s biographer
Catherine Mayer says anger over racism, misogyny and wealth in the royal family can undermine public consent for a monarchy
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
When I awoke this morning, something inside of me, told me this would be my day.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Epona
Sonic: 1 Nov 2006 - 8 Jan 2022
I fucking hope so, I'd better make sure I'm stocked up on popcorn.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
He only needs a smartphone though. So i assume he is choosing to say nothing for some reason? Saving it for his talk tv show perhaps?I just checked Piers Morgan's twitter and he appears to have taken a Twitter holiday for some reason. Be he's regretting that now, must be killing him not to be able to post
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