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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

freakydave said:
It is weird how Bill Clinton is not put in the same category as Andrew Windsor in this whole thing
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He almost certainly is an abuser and has a well documented set of allegations against him, including rape. But to answer your question, even though clinton seems to have been a regular on the nonce's plane, there are no specific epstein related allegations against him (afaik).
 
I've clicked on it, there is a picture of Bill Clinton sat in an airport transit area having his neck massaged by a young woman, He later claimed nothing untoward happened, She later claimed nothing untoward happened.
Anyone looking at those photos would assume they were completely innocent except that one was the 42nd POTUS and one was a young woman who later accused a notorious someone else of raping her.
There seems to be a subtext running through it that this makes Clintons endorsement of Biden a bad thing, I'm not sure what the Fail's angle is on this. The Overton Window in the US is WAY to the right of where it is in the UK.
Politically Biden probably sits somewhere around where Johnson is so hardly a raging leftie. Even Bernie Sanders the darling of US socialism is probably about as left wing as Tony Blair.
I don't see why the Fail wouldn't support any Democratic candidate considering the trainwreck that the Republican Party now is.
 
freakydave said:
It is weird how Bill Clinton is not put in the same category as Andrew Windsor in this whole thing
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One is more newsworthy, but don't worry, unless a certain Maxwell dies beforehand, much more will be revealed at trial..
So take it for granted that nothing more will be revealed.
 
Saul Goodman said:
One is more newsworthy, but don't worry, unless a certain Maxwell dies beforehand, much more will be revealed at trial..
So take it for granted that nothing more will be revealed.
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The Jeffery Epstein thing isn't even a big deal for most people. It was a news story around this time last year I think, and it was a big thing for a bit because it involved all of these high level people, but then the news moved on and we don't care.

It's the same as climate change, some climate change thing comes out and we get stressed out, but then 'Donald Trump insults a female reporter' and everyone is attracted to that, the Clintons are becoming these hate figures because they are not powerful, the power did not change.

But Oh my Gosh, 'if I saw Bill Clinton giving a 22 year old woman a neckrub in an airport, I would think that it was totally innocent'. Someone said that and got likes.
 
freakydave said:
The Jeffery Epstein thing isn't even a big deal for most people. It was a news story around this time last year I think, and it was a big thing for a bit because it involved all of these high level people, but then the news moved on and we don't care.
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Reckon people care a lot. Given that the rich can seemingly avoid justice and victims are often harassed or not believed.

Epstein dying probably denied the victims the justice they needed. Here's hoping Maxwell and the rest of them don't get away so easily.
 
krtek a houby said:
Reckon people care a lot. Given that the rich can seemingly avoid justice and victims are often harassed or not believed.

Epstein dying probably denied the victims the justice they needed. Here's hoping Maxwell and the rest of them don't get away so easily.
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I think that it's normalised. I mean, the Ghislaine Maxwell story, I remember the Robert Maxwell thing vaguely, brilliant guy from humble beginnings in East Europe, war hero, important to Britain and Israel, ended up in some deep dark thing and 'fell off a boat'. His daughter Ghislaine had been living an aristocrat life, the rest of the family disassociated from it, but she stayed in the game, hooked up with Epstein, got all of his money from these high ranking American capitalists and ended up in deep trouble like her dad. I think that he had a few kids and the other ones got rid of the Maxwell name and were happy being posh kids.
Epstein seems similar, very clever guy from humble beginnings who was sucked into some top level stuff and disposed of.

According to the official NYT program about Epstein that I listened to it just seemed like they were agents not actors. I get stressed out because yes, it just seems to me, like it probably seems to you that I am repeating some ant semitic agenda,

see. i get stressed out
 
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freakydave said:
I think that it's normalised. I mean, the Ghislaine Maxwell story, I remember the Robert Maxwell thing vaguely, brilliant guy from humble beginnings in East Europe, war hero, important to Britain and Israel, ended up in some deep dark thing and 'fell off a boat'. His daughter Ghislaine had been living an aristocrat life, the rest of the family disassociated from it, but she stayed in the game, hooked up with Epstein, got all of his money from these high ranking American capitalists and ended up in deep trouble like her dad. I think that he had a few kids and the other ones got rid of the Maxwell name and were happy being posh kids.
Epstein seems similar, very clever guy from humble beginnings who was sucked into some top level stuff and disposed of.

According to the official NYT program about Epstein that I listened to it just seemed like they were agents not actors. I get stressed out because yes, it just seems to me, like it probably seems to you that I am repeating some ant semitic agenda,

see. i get stressed out
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Perhaps don't be so quick to believe that these were all brilliant, clever people who happened to fall into bad situations/company.

They knew what they were doing. Crooks and abusers.
 
krtek a houby said:
Perhaps don't be so quick to believe that these were all brilliant, clever people who happened to fall into bad situations/company.

They knew what they were doing. Crooks and abusers.
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They were probably psychopathic, but they were obviously very intelligent and together. You must have met psychopaths before, usually it's a disability and they have awful short and violent lives, especially if they are born in poor circumstances.

I should not have used 'brilliant' though, that was just me getting carried away with myself
 
freakydave said:
It is weird how Bill Clinton is not put in the same category as Andrew Windsor in this whole thing
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There is very little hard evidence of actual sexual abuse or any sort of sex crime being committed by him (i.e. non-consensual sexual activities). None that would stand a prayer in court, anyway.
Unfortunately, Clinton, like his wife, goes all gooey at the thought of whooping it up with seriously wealthy people
 
Streathamite said:
There is very little hard evidence of actual sexual abuse or any sort of sex crime being committed by him (i.e. non-consensual sexual activities). None that would stand a prayer in court, anyway.
Unfortunately, Clinton, like his wife, goes all gooey at the thought of whooping it up with seriously wealthy people
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Clinton’s thing, much like Nonce Andrew, is getting sex off people through power, it’s what gets them off in the same way that outright rapists do, but although sleazy and shit it isn’t generally illegal. Mr No Sweat has an issue in that at least one of the pieces of meat* he satisfied his desires on was under the age on consent, further for him she is the main protagonist in all this and everyone believes her, cos what she speaks is so utterly honest and not adrenaline overdoses at seeing the bill at Pizza Express where we don’t even know where the bar is bollocks.



*his thinking
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Clinton’s thing, much like Nonce Andrew, is getting sex off people through power, it’s what gets them off in the same way that outright rapists do, but although sleazy and shit it isn’t generally illegal. Mr No Sweat has an issue in that at least one of the pieces of meat* he satisfied his desires on was under the age on consent, further for him she is the main protagonist in all this and everyone believes her, cos what she speaks is so utterly honest and not adrenaline overdoses at seeing the bill at Pizza Express where we don’t even know where the bar is bollocks.



*his thinking
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don't disagree with any of that. There's absolutely no dout bt that power is an aphrodisiac - to wit, Robin cook and John Prescott
 
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