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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

I think groundless speculation based on a fairly innocuous snapshot isn't very helpful...

(the guy in black behind her? It's the guy from Amadeus isn't it?)

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Hope so. But this is bollocks:

Wilf said:
If you knew nothing about the different people in the photo and just went off the image itself, there certainly looks to be an intimacy of some sort there (probably not a good word given the alleged coercion). She's pressed in against him though you can't tell if she leaned in or he pulled her in. However, one thing that is definite is that he chose to place his hand on the naked middle of a woman he didn't know. Pointless speculation on my part but it certainly doesn't look like a simple 'fan pic', particularly as he is someone with a lifetime's experience in not offering up compromising stances to the camera.
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killer b said:
I think groundless speculation based on a fairly innocuous snapshot isn't very helpful...
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I agree. Certainly could be innocuous, the only point I was making was that certain elements in the photo made it consistent with the bigger, alleged, story (and so less likely to be a simple fan pic). But yes, I agree, doesn't really help the discussion.
 
Dershowitz doesn't think, doesn't know if he's ever met her, he's met thousands of people, talked to millions, says he wouldn't be able to pick her out in a line up. That's what he said. A line up!? Snapshot doesn't prove that Randy Andy and his mates sexually exploited anyone but it does confirm they're in the same fucking picture.
 
Within the swirl of child abuse stories that have been doing the rounds over the past few years, this is still pretty remarkable, although the interesting thing is that if you look into the history of the case, the links have been there for several years - i.e. journalists covering this could have joined the dots a long time beforehands.

An interesting point though is that if you try and look at this from the point of view of a guest and close friend of Epstein's - you certainly know that this guy is wealthy and influential, you probably know he prefers, at the very least, very young women who are at the borderline, at the very best, of the age of consent and you also choose to attend parties thrown by him at his private residences where this stuff was going on.

(And I don't mean to distract from the victims in that manner, but was just trying to work it through from the pov of the fire-fighting team on the other side)
 
The Times is saying that Andrew may have immunity from US prosecution as part of the original deal Epstein struck with prosecutors.

I've no idea how that can possibly hold water in law, but then the US is not a place where logic often prevails.
 
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