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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

SpookyFrank said:
The Times is saying that Andrew may have immunity from US prosecution as part of the original deal Epstein struck with prosecutors.

I've no idea how that can possibly hold water in law, but then the US is not a place where logic often prevails.
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I'm certainly no expert in US law but this specific lawsuit, as far as I understand it, is trying to tease more disclosure from the plea bargain, which is largely confidential.

The point being is that the bargain part is that you, the accused, deny or limit your liability on some charges in exchange for admitting or offering information on others with the rest remaining confidential.

The current claimants/plaintiffs are seeking greater disclosure of the underlying documents that the bargain rests upon on the basis that their fundamental/statutory(?) rights were infringed by the prosecutor's decision to settle.

The overall point being is that the idea that anyone knows whether anyone has any kind of immunity from prosecution by any body, be it Prince Andrew or anyone else, is absurd unless you are a party to the bargain because it is necessarily a confidential contract.

In other words, the Times, unless they have deep insider info, are peddling pure speculation - not that the press has ever done that for sure, of course...
 
They keep mentioning lots of photographs? Pure speculation but will any of them ever surface?

"Andrew was photographed surrounded by topless women during one holiday with them in Thailand"

"Miss Roberts eventually would learn that she, too, was being photographed by hidden cameras."
 
He's mates with the President of Kazakhstan. Perhaps he'll set up shop there after all this unpleasantness given the Kazak approach to press freedom.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Note also the redundant phrase 'underage minors'. Anyone would think someone was typing that statement in a terrible hurry.
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It's possible for someone to be a minor but over the age of consent in many jurisdictions (eg UK). Isn't the term 'minor' here tantamount to admitting that if minors were involved, they were not underage ones?
 
The woman at the heart of this story had better be ready for some shit being thrown at her. Dershovitz + the royals, quite a formidable team. :(
 
I hope that there are some UK politicos involved so that the US lawyer's can force the issue.....rather than having continuous review's of the reviewed review which then gets parked on a dusty shelf.
 
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Wilf said:
The woman at the heart of this story had better be ready for some shit being thrown at her. Dershovitz + the royals, quite a formidable team. :(
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Named in tonight's, latest palace denial...they re seriously rattled...

“It is emphatically denied that HRH The Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”
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brogdale said:
Named in tonight's, latest palace denial...they re seriously rattled...
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I suspect they have been forced into being more specific than they normally are - as you say, naming her rather than just the usual dry 'allegations are without foundation'. Logically, that draws them a little closer to the next question: 'so, are you denying that he met her on the 3 occasions she mentions' [well, further 2 given that he clearly met her on one occasion]. But of course they won't have to get drawn into those questions, they won't get doorstepped, they'll still have a protective layer around them. That's why we are typing on threads about people like him rather than seeing people like him doing time.
 
“It is emphatically denied that HRH The Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”
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Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?
 
Some Dershowitz Wikiquotes:
  • In representing criminal defendants—especially guilty ones—it is often necessary to take the offensive against the government: to put the government on trial for its misconduct. In law, as in sports, the best defense is often a good offense.
  • The courtroom oath—to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth—is applicable only to witnesses... because the American justice system is built on a foundation of not telling the whole entire truth.
    • Alan Dershowitz, The Best Defense (New York: Vintage), 1983-5-12, p. xiv.
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Prof. Dershowitz has previous in responding to accusation with attack. Some years ago, he was accused by Norman Finkelstein of plagiarism in his book The Case for Israel. The case was widely reported, and it ended with Finkelstein losing tenure at his university, apparently as a result of complaints lodged by Dershowitz. Counterpunch has a long and exhaustive article examining the details, which concludes
As of this writing, Dershowitz appears to have succeeded in protecting his own career by destroying Finkelstein’s. It is now probably too late to remedy all of the harm that Dershowitz’s conduct has caused, both to the review of Finkelstein’s tenure application and to public perceptions of Finkelstein and his work. But some sort of acknowledgement or apology by Harvard concerning Dershowitz’s wrongdoing might go some distance toward clearing the air and making amends.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/02/11/the-case-against-alan-dershowitz/

When Epstein was facing the music back in 2007
(p 4) Epstein’s friend Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor, provided the police and the state attorney’s office with a dossier on a couple of the victims gleaned from their MySpace sites—showing alcohol and drug use and lewd comments. The police complained that private investigators were harassing the family of the 14-year-old girl before she was to appear before the grand jury in spring 2006. The police said that one girl had called another to say, “Those who help [Epstein] will be compensated and those who hurt him will be dealt with.”
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This lengthy New York Magazine article gives an insight into the lifestyle and assumptions of Epstein and his circle.

Lovely people. Especially the notion that by paying your victims you somehow make it all right for them and absolve yourself of any wrong.
 
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