Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[youngian]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-slave-drama-telling-truth.html#ixzz3Nq8ThJr1

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The first full account of the masseuse at the center of the explosive Prince Andrew 'sex slave' drama... but is she telling the truth?

Or is the Mail telling the truth? well sort of, its a rehash of an interview conducted eight years ago.

Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, whose story was first uncovered in 2007 by The Mail on Sunday following a painstaking investigation by our reporter Sharon Churcher, who tracked her to Australia.

You would have thought a painstaking investigative reporter would be able to reveal if she was telling the truth after nearly a decade. By painstaking investigation I suspect they mean fee neogtiation over the phone with Max Clifford or someone similar.

 

[ruffneck23]

yeah , but what is andy to do now max is behind bars ?

 

[ruffneck23]

although the mirror isnt really a credible source , todays dirt could be quite damaging

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-been-secretly-filmed-4915421

 

[Bernie Gunther]

... the case went forward in Palm Beach despite the efforts of the dream team (of high-priced lawyer scum) because of community rage arising from the class issues in the case—Epstein found the girls not from his own fancy neighbourhood but from the struggling suburbs.

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/

Need some more rage about stuff like that ...

 

[youngian]

yeah , but what is andy to do now max is behind bars ?

The Windsors have a far more sophiscated PR and press operation than anything Clifford could provide. That's why they're still around.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes, the argument is properly that looting relies on rioting and that looters are therefore complicit in riot. That's the position the law takes, anyway. I'm not confusing anything with anything - I'm merely describing the thinking that informs the sentencing guidelines.

It seems like a sensible argument to me, although I'd only have given the bloke twelve weeks suspended and a week's community service.

Looting can occur after natural disasters, invasions etc. Riots can take place without looting happening in their wake. "The law" as someone once said, "is an ass".

 

[SpookyFrank]

Lovely people. Especially the notion that by paying your victims you somehow make it all right for them and absolve yourself of any wrong.

Well it does seem like the US legal system allows, or even encourages, precisely this sort of 'buying yourself out of trouble' behaviour. IIRC the fact you've paid off other victims in the past cannot be used as evidence against you in criminal proceedings, because of course the innocent and those with nothing to hide often pay off accusers to avoid legal action.

 

[Wilf]

I don't want to go the full Icke on this, but you'd imagine the British secret service/foreign office will have been involved in assessing what information is out there on andy windsor, and liaising with his lawyers (not just now but since the story broke).

 

[twentythreedom]

no. no, I really don't.

Go on, I dare ya

 

[Pickman's model]

That I can think more freely than I can type due to our amazing libel system.

so no view on the n.e. as a valid source. you don't know your arse from your ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, they had to make 2 denials in 2 hours.

sadly didn't deny first denial yet

 

[killer b]

one more denial and then we move on to the crucifixion, yep?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm aware of that. What I'm saying is that he's a proven liar in other arenas. And therefore not someone who adds credibility to Andrew's defence.

Yup, having Dershoshitz come to your defence, even instrumentally, is probably something all lawyers fear for their clients. His mendacity has no bounds.

 

[danny la rouge]

one more denial and then we move on to the crucifixion, yep?

Well, he's certainly a cock, I'm sure he's crowed about his exploits, too.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Timely...

Royal Family granted new right of secrecy

The Royal Family is to be granted absolute protection from public scrutiny in a controversial legal reform designed to draw a veil of secrecy over the affairs of the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William.


Letters, emails and documents relating to the monarch, her heir and the second in line to the throne will no longer be disclosed even if they are in the public interest.


Sweeping changes to the Freedom of Information Act will reverse advances which had briefly shone a light on the royal finances – including an attempt by the Queen to use a state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace – and which had threatened to force the disclosure of the Prince of Wales's prolific correspondence with ministers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ily-granted-new-right-of-secrecy-2179148.html

 

[fishfinger]

Timely...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ily-granted-new-right-of-secrecy-2179148.html

That article is 4 years old.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yeah but this stuff was first breaking what, late 2000's when his pedo pal got busted?

I think Fat Andy's dodgy relationships with dictators were coming under scrutiny around 2010 or so too.

 

[free spirit]

This has got to be tip of the iceberg stuff hasn't it?

The way she talks about it, it seems to have been fairly normalised behaviour for Andrew

I'd suspect that he'll have been making full use of the hareems of the vaious middle east prince's he's been doing deals with, and in his head probably feels entitled to be doing that, what with him also being a prince and all that.

I doubt he'd have realised the age of consent was 18 in florida, or probably thought he was doing anything particularly wrong / that couldn't be made to go away with a wad of cash.

It really does seem like there is / was a significant proportion of the establishment who basically view this sort of thing as being their birthright, with a sort of continuum down from the 18 year old in the hareem in the article linked to being showered with jewels and presents, down to the 12 year old boys* plucked from the childrens homes and pimped out to sex parties for London's elite. All operating on the basis that the law doesn't apply to them, and the establishment will close ranks behind them if needed as too many of them have their own guilty secrets not to.

*Not accusing Prince Andrew of this, just saying how this seems to fit in with the wider pattern that's emerging

 

[fishfinger]

Yeah but this stuff was first breaking what, late 2000's when his pedo pal got busted?

I think Fat Andy's dodgy relationships with dictators were coming under scrutiny around 2010 or so too.

Fair enough, but new rights or old, the royals would get anything that sensitive, hushed up.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That article is 4 years old.

LOL Err sorry! Timely people are posting a link to it elsewhere then!

 

[Treacle Toes]

Given the old articles contents though I am left wondering how this will play out and what laws will be invoked to keep a lid on the current story/details.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Fair enough, but new rights or old, the royals would get anything that sensitive, hushed up.

In Britain they would yes. Far less power over stuff happening in the US.

 

[fishfinger]

LOL Err sorry! Timely people are posting a link to it elsewhere then!

No problem

 

[fishfinger]

In Britain they would yes. Far less power over stuff happening in the US.

Good point.

 

[Wilf]

Given the old articles contents though I am left wondering how this will play out and what laws will be invoked to keep a lid on the current story/details.

My guess is that if nothing else emerges he'll pretty much ride the storm out. It's just inconceivable that he'd be allowed to end up anywhere near a court case. If more does come out, what, perhaps quietly move abroad to the middle east (or Kazakstan, as mentioned). I think we can rejoice in his discomfort, but I doubt there'll be many consequences for him. As you say, anything that looks like it might really threaten him will be made to go away.

 

[Gone Girl]

I think he's a creep

 

[youngian]

Anyone unfortunate enough to observe the obsequious fawning of people around the rich, powerful and famous will know that a prince can get shagged and their cocked sucked for free even from their male grovellers. At least the 'sex slave' was smart enough to get paid for it. It looks like she's going for double bubble and I'd be surprised if they nail Alan Dershowitz who could spot an ambulance chasing chancer lawyer a mile off.

 

[Fez909]

Anyone unfortunate enough to observe the obsequious fawning of people around the rich, powerful and famous will know that a prince can get shagged and their cocked sucked for free even from their male grovellers. At least the 'sex slave' was smart enough to get paid for it. It looks like she's going for double bubble and I'd be surprised if they nail Alan Dershowitz who could spot an ambulance chasing chancer lawyer a mile off.

What a disgusting post.

Why do you believe this scum over a woman whom you knew nothing about until very recently? What makes him seem more believable to you, when all the evidence makes it seem likely she's telling the truth?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Anyone unfortunate enough to observe the obsequious fawning of people around the rich, powerful and famous will know that a prince can get shagged and their cocked sucked for free even from their male grovellers. At least the 'sex slave' was smart enough to get paid for it. It looks like she's going for double bubble and I'd be surprised if they nail Alan Dershowitz who could spot an ambulance chasing chancer lawyer a mile off.

Smart enough to get paid? The young woman in question was exercising business acument.

/vomits

Gold diggers everywhere in your world right?

 

[Wilf]

What a disgusting post.

Why do you believe this scum over a woman whom you knew nothing about until very recently? What makes him seem more believable to you, when all the evidence makes it seem likely she's telling the truth?

It was a disgusting post. To be honest youngian I read your post and thought I'd got it wrong. Seems not though, you really did come out with that shit.