Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[brogdale]

Anyone who's ever been to an office Christmas party any time in the last...well forever, really, will more than likely have seen that, to be right.
It is grotesque; of course it is. But it's hardly something that's unique to parties where your host is a millionaire pimp.

Don't know what sort of office parties you've experienced, but were the recipients of that sort of attention really 17? And had they been groomed, abused, flown across the Atlantic and pimped out by a convicted paedophile? I'd say that Ms Roberts' reported account does sound pretty uniquely grotesque tbh, and to see any equivalence between Windsor's behaviour and that of an office party seems a little odd, to say the least.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

This quote, in relation to a bunch of angry spewage from Dershowitz attacking her credibility is interesting.

In a statement released through her lawyers to the Guardian, the woman hit back, saying: “These types of aggressive attacks on me are exactly the reason why sexual abuse victims typically remain silent and the reason why I did for a long time. That trend should change. I’m not going to be bullied back into silence.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/04/prince-andrew-buckingham-palace-jeffrey-epstein

As we know from other cases, such as that prof who called Dershowitz on plagiarism and dishonesty and lost his tenure as a result, Dershowitz has form for using his influence to try to wreck the lives of lesser mortals who inconvenience him.

So if she's really prepared to have a go at exposing Epstein's sleazy friends like Fat Andy and Dershowitz for (allegedly) accepting his pedo-pimp largesse, despite knowing what the likes of Dershowitz will stoop to ... well good for her.

I think the quote also does something interesting in terms of drawing battle-lines beyond the case of one billionaire pedo-pimp, a bunch of privileged (alleged) punters and his victims and placing them somewhere with much broader relevance.

 

[Wilf]

You're right - I'd forgotten the split age of consent.

That could apply if he knew of photos being taken, too?

Whip-round for a private prosecution?

There's certainly enough under English law to do him for what happened in London. From memory, that was when she was 17, at which point it is illegal to have sex with a prostitute in the UK. Even if she was 18, which I think she was in one of the 3 encounters, having sex with someone under the control of a pimp is still illegal.

Edit: ah, no, the latter only came in in 2008.

 

[Espresso]

Don't know what sort of office parties you've experienced, but were the recipients of that sort of attention really 17? And had they been groomed, abused, flown across the Atlantic and pimped out by a convicted paedophile? I'd say that Ms Roberts' reported account does sound pretty uniquely grotesque tbh, and to see any equivalence between Windsor's behaviour and that of an office party seems a little odd, to say the least.

I know and you know that a fair number of young women put up with being groped at Christmas parties by much older men. And in the workplace itself, come to that. And some of them are certainly as young as 17. No question. I know I was.
I was just bit surprised at how you phrased your post, I expect.

You are quite right, I do not have any experience of international jetsetting paedophile pimps, their victims or their punters.

 

[laptop]

As we know from other cases, such as that prof who called Dershowitz on plagiarism and dishonesty and lost his tenure as a result, Dershowitz has form for using his influence to try to wreck the lives of lesser mortals who inconvenience him.

'You mean Norman Finkelstein? Not all readers of this thread may know that Dershowitz-Finkelstein, one of the great feuds of our time, started as a result of Finkelstein's rebuttal of Dershowitz's Zionist claims...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

'You mean Norman Finkelstein? Not all readers of this thread may know that Dershowitz-Finkelstein, one of the great feuds of our time, started as a result of Finkelstein's rebuttal of Dershowitz's Zionist claims...

Yep, I meant Finkelstein. If I remember right though, the specific issue was that he reckoned some zionist propaganda tract Dershowitz had written was not only a pack of lies, but a plagiarised pack of lies.

 

[xenon]

Why do the "truck bomb diplomats" of this world never target these cunts.

Note to MI5. Fuck you.

 

[teqniq]

Why do the "truck bomb diplomats" of this world never target these cunts...

I imagine that they are fairly low if not absent from their list of suitable targets and also because that would require a great deal more planning than they are inclined to engage in.

 

[xenon]

I imagine that they are fairly low if not absent from their list of suitable targets and also because that would require a great deal more planning than they are inclined to engage in.

Quite probably. I've been following this thread but have nothing useful to add to any debate. Good luck to the victims. Money is not infinitely metaphorically bulletproof.

 

[quiquaquo]

Time to send the royals into permanent exile. Never make Italy's mistake and let the cunts back in to the country.

 

[TopCat]

 

[Pickman's model]

prince andrew could play a central role in a challenging new production of 'the execution of louis xvi'

 

[TopCat]

Rid us of this filth...

 

[quiquaquo]

Why give them the chance to be martyrs? Throw them out of the country for all time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Time to send the royals into permanent exile.

on a one-way trip, like laika only less mourned

 

[TopCat]

Read yer history...

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[quiquaquo]

on a one-way trip, like laika only less mourned

The Iranian monkey came back alive and healthy, let's not make that mistake with this lot:

 

[Pickman's model]

The Iranian monkey came back alive and healthy, let's not make that mistake with this lot:

yeh. but the iranians weren't aiming for either alpha centauri or the sun.

 

[quiquaquo]

Idiotic but amusing, their depravity is without limit:

http://chrisspivey.org/prince-philip-is-this-the-sickest-man-in-the-uk/

 

[quiquaquo]

yeh. but the iranians weren't aiming for either alpha centauri or the sun.

 

[hot air baboon]

Idiotic but amusing, their depravity is without limit:

http://chrisspivey.org/prince-philip-is-this-the-sickest-man-in-the-uk/

.....you mean our depravity...when we're given any power over our fellow man....absolutely nothing unusual about the Royals....

 

[bluescreen]

The Windsors have a far more sophiscated PR and press operation than anything Clifford could provide. That's why they're still around.

Yes, it's called the BBC. Frex, this misleading paragraph:

US citizen Virginia Roberts waived her anonymity in an interview with the Mail on Sunday in 2011, claiming she had been sexually exploited by Epstein as a teenager.

She also claimed to have met Prince Andrew on several occasions, but the paper said there was no suggestion of any sexual contact between Virginia Roberts and the prince. (my bold)

which maybe doesn't look so bad in the extract but in the context of their discussion of the recent Fail article, in which the 2011 story is nested, seems to be downplaying Roberts' claims.

.....you mean our depravity...when we're given any power over our fellow man....absolutely nothing unusual about the Royals....

Not unusual but I dispute 'our'. Milgram didn't find 100% compliance; Zimbardo stopped the experiment because of the excesses of some of the guards, not all. It is possible to behave decently outside of anarchy. But maybe not so easy if you're a pampered prince.

 

[bluescreen]

Yep, I meant Finkelstein. If I remember right though, the specific issue was that he reckoned some zionist propaganda tract Dershowitz had written was not only a pack of lies, but a plagiarised pack of lies.

Yup, there's a link here to a thorough article in Counterpunch I posted upthread. He is a piece of work.

 

[bluescreen]

Anyone else here uncomfortable about the "sex slave" tag? There is a world of difference between watching Friends on the sofa with the Madam and being locked in the cellar. I'm not seeking to denigrate the extent of emotional manipulation of young people. They are helped to build their own gilded cage. But I have seen too many BTL comments saying: 'so she was paid, and nothing was stopping her from walking away...' There needs to be a lot more explanation about immaturity, emotional pressure, societal expectation, the money drug... It isn't as simple as walking away, is it? In a way, it's as old-fashioned as inadvertently taking the King's shilling. There must be a sense in which the victim, having been paid, then feels complicit and unable to escape the bargain.

 

[laptop]

Anyone else here uncomfortable about the "sex slave" tag?

Yes, though I did have the impression it was her lawyers'...

...I have seen too many BTL comments saying: 'so she was paid, and nothing was stopping her from walking away...'

What's the betting that these commenters are users of prostitutes, seeking self-justification?

 

[bluescreen]

The other thing is that if ever hyperbole was set up to backfire, it's here. A bad part of me wonders if it's deliberate sabotage. Most people don't seem to be able to get their heads round the idea that you can be theoretically free but not mentally or actually free, or that billionaires have ample means to construct your idea of freedom.

 

[FNG]

Thats something i came across reading the comments pages in the Cosby case. Cosby was targeting young clients of Talent Agencies for Grooming, Epstein aspiring models.

Both cunts.

 

[FNG]

The other thing is that if ever hyperbole was set up to backfire, it's here. A bad part of me wonders if it's deliberate sabotage. Most people don't seem to be able to get their heads round the idea that you can be theoretically free but not mentally or actually free, or that billionaires have ample means to construct your idea of freedom.

bear in mind the hyperbole is there simply to sell papers with scant regard to the influence or outcome on ongoing or future trials,theres a few sun front pages Hillsbrough, Cheats Kiss ect that bear that out.

 

[bluescreen]

bear in mind the hyperbole is there simply to sell papers with scant regard to the influence or outcome on ongoing or future trials,theres a few sun front pages Hillsbrough, Cheats Kiss ect that bear that out.

DM is playing a blinder on this. Stuff that other people aren't carrying yet. I still hate them, not least for making me want to look at their filth. And as for Peter McKay, he makes Katie whassname look progressive.