His questions on threads like this are always a variation on how do we protect the men.
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit
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Perfect answer.
I believe in equality. I have placed myself in harm's way on behalf of both men and women; have you?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This makes perfect sense. Or it would do, if we lived in a world where men and women were at equal risk from violence, abuse and systematic injustices.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Unlikely, yes...but despite Dershowitz's strident defence of Andrew Windsor, his very vocal calls for the claimant to make her allegations publicly, outside of the 'privilege' of the legal statement, could backfire very spectacularly for those accused. If she was to do what Dershowitz is calling for, the house of Windsor would then have to face the prospect of a legal response to clear Andrew's name.
what does this even mean?
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
It's interesting that Dershowitz is the one that's all over the media defending Andrew . Anyone who has followed his defence of the state of Israel's actions will know that Dershowitz finds ways of excusing, ignoring or denying some very nasty stuff. He has said, for example, incidents for which there is photographic evidence didn't happen.
Now all the prince needs is a character reference from Max Clifford...
Dershowitz is implicated as well. He's defending himself.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...els-sex-claims-at-alan-dershowitz-200495.html
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, his performance on this morning's R4 'Today' programme is well worth listening to. From 1.32.20..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wnkcs
Fascinating to see what admissions he avoided, and those he was anxious to establish. All this never been alone shite...don't suppose you would be alone at an (alleged) "party" where consensual sex with minors was the main attraction.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I'm aware of that. What I'm saying is that he's a proven liar in other arenas. And therefore not someone who adds credibility to Andrew's defence.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Clifford has worked for those 'close' to Andrew Windsor....(Daily Mail link I'm afraid)...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-Andrews-yacht-beauty-meets-Max-Clifford.html
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
The BBC's handling of this is appalling. Of course Andrew is innocent until proven otherwise, but they've seen their role as to defend Andrew and traduce the alleged victim. That's how power works. That's the disparity right there.
The BBC ought to be stating the bald facts. But that's not their style.
The BBC ought to be stating the bald facts. But that's not their style.
But in the New York case DSK was vindicated, wasn't he?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does vindication consist of?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
a bunch of men saying another man didn't do something
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I agree, but they do have a profile of him on their front page at the moment. It's the kind of thing that attempts even-handedness, but it does still accuse him sideways-like of being an idiot, a corrupt sponger and a chancer.
He's that most dangerous kind of idiot - and idiot who doesn't think he's an idiot. I kind of hope he stays in the spotlight - it's this kind of idiot royal attempting to exercise power who could do a lot of damage to the royal family.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
or a famous pop star
Is he friendly with any former Prime Ministers of Israel?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No.
newbie
undisambiguated
only if you're trying really, really hard to see it from his pov.
from the same wiki article as before "After completing a lengthy investigation, prosecutors filed a motion to drop all charges against Strauss-Kahn, stating that they were not convinced of his culpability beyond a reasonable doubt due to serious issues in the complainant's credibility and inconclusive physical evidence, and therefore could not ask a jury to believe in it.[73][74] The motion was granted by Judge Obus in a hearing on August 23, 2011.[75][76] In a TV interview in September, Strauss-Kahn admitted that his liaison with Diallo was a moral fault and described it as "inappropriate" but that it did not involve violence, constraint or aggression. He said that Diallo had lied about the encounter and that he had no intention of negotiating with her over a civil suit she had filed against him.[77] Strauss-Kahn later reached a settlement with Diallo for an undisclosed amount over the civil suit.[78]"
the chancer will be similarly vindicated for those that try really, really hard.
Norman Finkelstein on Alan Dershowitz's methods and why he makes for a successful defence lawyer.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Unsurprisingly, Dacre appears to be enjoying all the sordid details, but his latest copy includes some notable comments...(I'll quote so I don't have to link to the filthy rag)...
Until now, it has always been reported that there was no evidence Andrew was aware that his host was paying children for sex.
Indeed, the Daily Mail has previously stressed that none of the claims about the prince has been corroborated, and that they have yet to be tested in a court of law.But some Buckingham Palace courtiers were in despair yesterday that the Royal Family has been dragged further into the Epstein mire.
There have even been unsubstantiated rumours – most probably started by the financier himself and on which Buckingham Palace has not commented – that one of secretive Epstein’s financial clients was the Queen herself. Murray Gell-Mann, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and recipient of Epstein largesse, said he was given that impression by the financier.
In 2011, after the photo appeared of him with the billionaire in New York, Andrew was shamed into stepping
down as Britain’s trade envoy. On that occasion, it was the Queen who came to his rescue, in a remarkable show of maternal love. Andrew is the Queen’s favourite son, () and she has been deeply upset at the opprobrium heaped on him.
Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for the sexual gratification of Jeffrey Epstein and his ‘friends’. Court documents say she ‘facilitated Prince Andrew’s acts of sexual abuse by acting as a madame for Epstein’.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The Mail is also following the story of Andrew's alleged involvement in lobbying US authorities to be lenient with his mucker Epstein.
Part of the court document filed, pictured above, demanding the American government be ordered by the federal court to hand over correspondence which the women’s lawyers claim will show Prince Andrew and Dershowitz lobbied against Epstein being prosecuted:-
Part of the court document filed, pictured above, demanding the American government be ordered by the federal court to hand over correspondence which the women’s lawyers claim will show Prince Andrew and Dershowitz lobbied against Epstein being prosecuted:-
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Reminds me of Tony Blair. Maybe Finkelstein isn't used to debating with lawyers. There's no real point debating with lawyers, tbh.
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