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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
lots of people in the us have been miranda'd.
SpookyFrank
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If I've got this right, the case we're talking about is an action against the US federal prosecutors for letting Epstein off with guilty plea on a minor charge?
The US plea-bargain system does seem pretty bizarre to me. It would seem to make the punishment you get proportional to your chances of beating a charge rather than the severity of your crimes. Ergo someone like Epstein who could presumably hire all the weapons-grade lawyers money can buy gets to take a minor charge because he would've maybe got away with it if charged with something that actually reflected the accusations against him.
e2a: Lots of Epstein's victims appear to have settled out of court. Another good route out of trouble that's not available to less wealthy nonces.
The US plea-bargain system does seem pretty bizarre to me. It would seem to make the punishment you get proportional to your chances of beating a charge rather than the severity of your crimes. Ergo someone like Epstein who could presumably hire all the weapons-grade lawyers money can buy gets to take a minor charge because he would've maybe got away with it if charged with something that actually reflected the accusations against him.
e2a: Lots of Epstein's victims appear to have settled out of court. Another good route out of trouble that's not available to less wealthy nonces.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-celebrity-politics--and-royalty-9954397.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-celebrity-politics--and-royalty-9954397.html
“I’m not a sexual predator, I’m an ‘offender’,” he told the newspaper at the time. “It’s the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel.”
SpookyFrank
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You've committed the offence of being a sexual predator from where I'm standing mate.
I'm sure if he keeps his mouth shut about it at US border immigration he'll get through ok
I think it's a civil case for compensation, with the added twist of a side-case calling for release of papers - presumably damaging to Epstein - that would have been in the public domain if Epstein had gone to full criminal trial but are not, yet, because of the plea-bargain.
Yes.
Indeed. And a good reason for making maximum publicity if you're up against someone who can pay substantial compensation...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
No matter what evidence may appear, the chances of Andrew getting in any actual trouble must be in the very low zeroes though right? The royal family could never survive having a convicted nonce as one of their number could they?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't see why not, unless they all hang themselves in shame.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, but I bet his father is turning in his grave.
Eh? Pre-empting the death pool?
Ah.
Trust the Torygraph to excel in lèse-majesté: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1471019/Portrait-of-a-marriage.html
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
*rubs chin*
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
BBC radio news also leading with, 'PRINCE ANDREW DENIES allegations of noncery'
They're so pathetically transparent in their arse-covering these days
They're so pathetically transparent in their arse-covering these days
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
BBC radio news also leading with, 'PRINCE ANDREW DENIES allegations of noncery'
They're so pathetically transparent in their arse-covering these days
This from 2011
Annie lennox
"Disreputable past"= convicted nonce
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
*rubs chin*
Yep, that Spencer Compton always looked a wrong'un.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
"Rum characters" for fuck's sake
Epstein isn't a man you'd hesitate to buy a second hand car off, he's a man who should by rights be rotting in jail for considerably longer than the term of his natural life.
Epstein isn't a man you'd hesitate to buy a second hand car off, he's a man who should by rights be rotting in jail for considerably longer than the term of his natural life.
oh, come on. she was being sarcastic.Annie lennox
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah but in this case the victim's claims are utterly baseless because...well beacause the chap being accused bloody well says so. He's a thoroughly respectable sort of chap with the most excellent breeding and whatever he says should be bloody well good enough for anyone.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Was she? She seemed to be to be saying "Oh come on, he meets loads of people, how can he be held responsible for everything they do?" Downplaying the allegations at the time, moving on, going forward etc. Not sarcasm. Unless you're being sarcastic in which case
Zabo
Well-Known Member
Indeed. Quite right Frank.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Fez909
toilet expert
The PM mentioned is probably not a British PM as this article has them as "head of state".
Narrows it down quite a lot, now, I think. Especially with the list posted earlier.
edit: no, it doesn't actually, does it? I don't think the PM is "head of state" in any country? Must be a mistake in this report.
Narrows it down quite a lot, now, I think. Especially with the list posted earlier.
edit: no, it doesn't actually, does it? I don't think the PM is "head of state" in any country? Must be a mistake in this report.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I mean some establishment figure denying wrongdoing is hardly news is it? Max Clifford is probably still denying that he did anything wrong, and desperately trying to find a good publicist to help him clear his name...
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Well then if she was being sarcastic she's a fucking disgrace. Did you listen to the rest of it? The banker man is a convicted child abuser, suspected of procuring and sexually exploiting 40 children for celebrities, politicians, royalty and that business class of cunts for years. 'Slightly disreputable past' isn't sarcasm in any tone of voice. Vested interests all round. Fear maybe but not sarcasm.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Yeah, take it all back.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
What, the Annie Lennox who performed at the Queen's Diamond Jubilee Concert?
... and said the royals should be given their privacy:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/showb...mbarded-with-abuse-over-royal-family-comments
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