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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

1927 said:
This is a very dodgy development. In the infamous interview didn't he state that he wasn’t a close friend of Epstein, but his friendship was with Maxwell? If he wasn’t a close friend of Maxwell then the inference has to be that he was closer to Epstein! Surely you don’t invite people to the palace and Sandringham unless you are close friends with at least one of them!

Keep digging Andy!
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“On the matter of a interview of the prince with Emily Maitliss with a Caneletto in the background, his lawyers say they do not have enough information to admit or deny its existence"
 
bluescreen said:
It's an utter mystery how Maxwell and Epstein found themselves guests at Sandringham, or how Windsor found himself in Epstein's house or on his island. Or why he had to do the honourable thing and travel across the Atlantic to tell Epstein he could no longer be friends. The world is a baffling place.
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I suspect that they were the only friends he had. Scraping the barrel.
 
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equationgirl said:
Sorry that this happened to you justin credible I hope you managed to find a decent therapist who wasn't a quack to help you.
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Thank you for your kind thoughts. Unfortunately I have been completely without support. When I have attempted to describe what happened to me and to ask for NHS therapy with a therapist who does not believe in satanic ritual abuse (SRA) I have encountered only further gaslighting from mental health professionals who share the delusion that satanic cults are everywhere, one of whom opined that I was making serious accusations against her friends and colleagues, one of whom told me that he worked with many survivors of SRA and that he did not believe in false memories.

On other occasions, have had my concerns twisted into “is preoccupied with paranoid delusions that mental health services have been taken over by professionals believing in satanic ritual abuse” and, the shit cherry on the cake, “is preoccupied with anxieties about satanic cults”.

I have various audio recordings, including one of a psychiatrist asking in a syrupy, sing song voice “but why do you think a psychologist would do this to you? Why do you believe that your psychologist would believe in such a strange thing? If we can find the answer to this then we can find the key to why you are so anxious”. That particular psychiatrist was visiting me with a view to sectioning me. Thankfully I was not sectioned but, given what happened to Carol Felstead I was understandably terrified.

Obviously this had had a significant toll on my mental health. There have been times when I have questioned my own sanity - something a genuinely deluded / psychotic person never does.

For any readers doubting that this really happened to me, and I can understand why people might doubt it, I would draw their attention to the following video by Carol Felstead’s bother Kevin Felstead on his families experience of navigating the system after Carol’s mysterious and unexplained death while in the care of a cabal of SRA obsessed quacks, many of whom still work in the NHS and weild considerable power over vulnerable patients.


We live in dangerous times when anyone can be falsely accused of horrific sexual offences against children and all posters here should be concerned about this as it could be you next.
 
andysays said:
OK, I'm happy to agree that referring to FMS may not be the best term to use and apologise for my use of it.

And, because my previous post obviously wasn't clear, I wasn't suggesting that you yourself were over-simplifying. If that was directed at anyone, it was referring to others who have made what appear to me to simplistic comments before the one from you that I actually quoted.

Nor was I suggesting that you were smearing anyone - that point was aimed firmly at Andrew and his lawyers.

My overall point was to suggest (to everyone, not just to you) that the complex issue of false memories isn't one which we should allow this thread to get diverted on to, as it is simply yet another diversionary tactic employed by Andrew and his lawyers.

But in saying that, I also don't want to dismiss your experiences, though I suggest that there might be a better thread than this to discuss them on.
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No need to spologise and thatnks for the clarifications

I do not believe that the issue of false memories is a diversion at all, although not for the reasons most people might imagine.

There is the wider issue of false memories that everyone has over time as memories are changed each time we recall them. It is inevitiable that, even if Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew both believe they are telling the truth that they will both have some false memories.

Then there is the issue of Virgina Giuffre's therapist, an issue about which I have insufficient data to comment.

The glaring elephant in the room for those familair with the satanic panic and related mental health quackery and malpractice is that there are various actors with multiple strong connections to the satanic panic getting involved with the Prince Andrew case. One is the notorious convicted conman Paul Page. Page has appeared on the youtube channels of 2 people, both of whom have multiple connections to the satanic panic, one of whom, Shaun Attwood, was a very significant promoter of SRA conspiracy theories before he was forced to remove various videos. He hosted videos (now removed) of the vile Wilfred Wong currently serving a 22 year jail sentence for the kidnapping of a child at knifepoint which he believed to be rescusing the child from a satanic cult. I'll post up some evidential screen shots in a moment.

One of the deluded satanic grifters he featured on his channel was the woman behind this little escapade which ended up with some long overdue arrests and confiscation of computers and other equippment (possibly including weaponry they have boasted about, including a crossbow).
www.bucksfreepress.co.uk

'Satanic ritual abuse' protesters gather at Waddesdon Manor

Activists apparently protesting against "satanic ritual abuse" descended upon Waddesdon Manor this afternoon.
www.bucksfreepress.co.uk www.bucksfreepress.co.uk
 
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justin credible said:
Thank you for your kind thoughts. Unfortunately I have been completely without support. When I have attempted to describe what happened to me and to ask for NHS therapy with a therapist who does not believe in satanic ritual abuse (SRA) I have encountered only further gaslighting from mental health professionals who share the delusion that satanic cults are everywhere, one of whom opined that I was making serious accusations against her friends and colleagues, one of whom told me that he worked with many survivors of SRA and that he did not believe in false memories.

On other occasions, have had my concerns twisted into “is preoccupied with paranoid delusions that mental health services have been taken over by professionals believing in satanic ritual abuse” and, the shit cherry on the cake, “is preoccupied with anxieties about satanic cults”.

I have various audio recordings, including one of a psychiatrist asking in a syrupy, sing song voice “but why do you think a psychologist would do this to you? Why do you believe that your psychologist would believe in such a strange thing? If we can find the answer to this then we can find the key to why you are so anxious”. That particular psychiatrist was visiting me with a view to sectioning me. Thankfully I was not sectioned but, given what happened to Carol Felstead I was understandably terrified.

Obviously this had had a significant toll on my mental health. There have been times when I have questioned my own sanity - something a genuinely deluded / psychotic person never does.

For any readers doubting that this really happened to me, and I can understand why people might doubt it, I would draw their attention to the following video by Carol Felstead’s bother Kevin Felstead on his families experience of navigating the system after Carol’s mysterious and unexplained death while in the care of a cabal of SRA obsessed quacks, many of whom still work in the NHS and weild considerable power over vulnerable patients.


We live in dangerous times when anyone can be falsely accused of horrific sexual offences against children and all posters here should be concerned about this as it could be you next.
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I'm sorry you've had to go through this. I hope you get the help and support you need.

I also would like to draw everyone's attention to your last paragraph. I'd like it to be wrong, but, sadly, it isn't.
 
dessiato said:
I'm sorry you've had to go through this. I hope you get the help and support you need.

I also would like to draw everyone's attention to your last paragraph. I'd like it to be wrong, but, sadly, it isn't.
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So important that it needs saying again. Also false accusations of sexual abuse are being weaponised by malicious actors, especially the far right.

Many of the actors promoting Qanon and other SRA CTs have links to the far right

eta a really good article about the weaponsing of CSA/CSE by the far right and also highlighting their hypocricy re the abusers in their own ranks.

Tommy Robinson is a hypocrite when it comes to opposing child sexual exploitation – HOPE not hate

hopenothate.org.uk
 
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Please find a screen shot from a video of Paul Page alongside Shaun Attwood, who has also hosted such luminaries as, er, David Icke. Attwood has promoted Jeanette Archer and various other SRA grifters.

Interesting podcast here including material about Attwood, Archer and Wong

eta Shaun Attwood can be heard interviewing Jeanette Archer at 16.21 of the podcast
 

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equationgirl said:
Or least worst. I don't think it's a stellar plan.
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Lawyers comment on the defence:

www.theguardian.com

Lawyers question strength of Prince Andrew’s response to lawsuit

Legal experts question whether document filed with US district court can help royal avoid ‘disastrous’ trial
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Nick Goldstone, head of dispute resolution at Ince Gordon Dadds LLP, said: “There are certain things where it is ludicrous for him to say he has insufficient information to admit or deny. Six months on, he has at least put forward a defence and that is interesting, but it does appear to be a boilerplate exercise, rather over-enthusiastically deployed.”

Among the allegations from Giuffre’s complaint that Andrew said he could not admit or deny were that:
  • Andrew and convicted sex-trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell have been photographed at numerous social events together.
  • Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida in 2008 to the charge of procuring a minor for prostitution.
  • Andrew had been on Epstein’s private plane and stayed at some of his homes.
  • The infamous photograph depicts Andrew, Giuffre and Maxwell at Maxwell’s home.
Goldstone said of the filing by Andrew’s lawyers: “It’s a ‘[throw in everything but the] kitchen sink’ exercise which I think is designed probably to show the world that he’s ready for a fight, whilst, in my view, he clearly isn’t ready for a fight. He shouldn’t be volunteered to be cross-examined on this pleading because it’s a nightmare. It’s not a defence or a response document that would fill me with fear if I was acting for the claimant. There has to be a way out of this for Andrew that will avoid a jury trial because a jury trial is a complete disaster.”
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Bahnhof Strasse said:
Seems Andy’s now going with Maxwell wasn’t his mate cos she’s a nonce and when he said Epstein wasn’t his mate and Maxwell was what he meant was Kevin Spacey was the the mate and Maxwell was Spacey’s plus one.

So that’s cleared that up.
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Seriously?? my 18 month old grandson could come up with a better story never mind his 5 year old brother.
 
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