Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Asked for comment on Andrew’s filing, Giuffre’s lawyers said in a statement: “Prince Andrew’s Answer continues his approach of denying any knowledge or information concerning the claims against him, and purporting to blame the victim of the abuse for somehow bringing it on herself.

“We look forward to confronting Prince Andrew with his denials and attempts to blame Ms Giuffre for her own abuse at his deposition and at trial,” their statement also said.





I’m sure there’s a perfectly innocent explanation for all of this and that a prince of the realm will be honourable enough to clear this whole thing up and we can all move on.


Popcorn anyone?

 

[equationgirl]

As you may remember from previous episodes involving Prince Andrew, he does not much care for optics

Optics are for the commoners.

 

[equationgirl]

Asked for comment on Andrew’s filing, Giuffre’s lawyers said in a statement: “Prince Andrew’s Answer continues his approach of denying any knowledge or information concerning the claims against him, and purporting to blame the victim of the abuse for somehow bringing it on herself.

“We look forward to confronting Prince Andrew with his denials and attempts to blame Ms Giuffre for her own abuse at his deposition and at trial,” their statement also said.





I’m sure there’s a perfectly innocent explanation for all of this and that a prince of the realm will be honourable enough to clear this whole thing up and we can all move on.


Popcorn anyone?

With this thread, the Brewdog thread and the Bojo thread, we're going to need a LOT of popcorn.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes, that's pretty much it. Continue to deny any sex, but keep a defence consent open, just in case she's somehow able to prove sex happened.

Pretty stupid to demand a jury, then, because that’s not a nuance I can see laypeople going for.

 

[Athos]

Pretty stupid to demand a jury, then, because that’s not a nuance I can see laypeople going for.

No, I'd go jury all day long. Not that I'd ever be in his shoes!

 

[mx wcfc]

Yes, that's pretty much it. Continue to deny any sex, but keep a defence consent open, just in case she's somehow able to prove sex happened.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if she had a sperm stain that could be analysed for DNA?

 

[brogdale]

The jury will decide whether he's guilty of the claims made by Guiffre, or not, rather than a bench trial where the judge decides the outcome.

Guilty isn't quite the right word but I can't think of the right one.

Yep, thanks...probably should have said...why has his team chosen that option; what's the perceived advantage to Windsor of having a jury?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, thanks...probably should have said...why has his team chosen that option; what's the perceived advantage to Windsor of having a jury?

Because he's betting they won't find 12 royal nonces in america

 

[Raheem]

Yep, thanks...probably should have said...why has his team chosen that option; what's the perceived advantage to Windsor of having a jury?

Think it is (1) easier to get a jury to take account of things the law says they shouldn't and (2) it makes the process more costly, thereby putting pressure on the plaintiff to settle.

 

[brogdale]

Think it is (1) easier to get a jury to take account of things the law says they shouldn't and (2) it makes the process more costly, thereby putting pressure on the plaintiff to settle.

Thanks.

 

[Pickman's model]

Optics are for the commoners.

Optics are only for opticians and pubs

 

[Athos]

It's easier to play on jurors' emotions by smearing a victim's character than it is with a judge.

 

[brogdale]

Newsnight exploring the jury decision and US lawyer says that the plaintiff had already demanded jury trial so Windsor was only agreeing to what she would have been granted anyway.

 

[equationgirl]

Yep, thanks...probably should have said...why has his team chosen that option; what's the perceived advantage to Windsor of having a jury?

My guess would be that he thinks he can persuade everyday Americans that as he is a Prince, a member of the British royal family, he couldn't possibly have done of the things he has been accused of. I think he thinks they're stupid and will believe his version of events without question.

I also think he's in for a bit of a surprise.

 

[belboid]

It's easier to play on jurors' emotions by smearing a victim's character than it is with a judge.

Yeah, but at the same time it’s easy to play on a jurors emotion by ‘smearing’ the accused. A jury is more likely to convict on balance of probabilities rather than a judge who would demand ‘proof’

 

[seeformiles]

Now he denies being a close friend of Maxwell. His defence gets ever stupider

Prince Andrew denies close friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell in US court files

In US court files, the prince, who denies assault claims, also asks for a jury trial in his accuser's lawsuit.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[rubbershoes]

I’m assuming his lawyers are not fighting this case on a no win no fee basis

That only really applies to people who are bringing claims. Their lawyers get paid a share of the winnings.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

“On the matter of a photograph of the prince with his arm around Ms Giuffre, with Maxwell in the background, his lawyers say they do not have enough information to admit or deny its existence”

If only there was a widely distributed and now famous photograph to prove the existence of the photograph…

 

[1927]

Now he denies being a close friend of Maxwell. His defence gets ever stupider

Prince Andrew denies close friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell in US court files

In US court files, the prince, who denies assault claims, also asks for a jury trial in his accuser's lawsuit.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is a very dodgy development. In the infamous interview didn't he state that he wasn’t a close friend of Epstein, but his friendship was with Maxwell? If he wasn’t a close friend of Maxwell then the inference has to be that he was closer to Epstein! Surely you don’t invite people to the palace and Sandringham unless you are close friends with at least one of them!

Keep digging Andy!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This is a very dodgy development. In the infamous interview didn't he state that he wasn’t a close friend of Epstein, but his friendship was with Maxwell? If he wasn’t a close friend of Maxwell then the inference has to be that he was closer to Epstein! Surely you don’t invite people to the palace and Sandringham unless you are close friends with at least one of them!

Keep digging Andy!

He said Epstein was Maxwell’s plus one, cos he wouldn’t be friends with a sex criminal. Didn’t age well…

 

[bluescreen]

He said Epstein was Maxwell’s plus one, cos he wouldn’t be friends with a sex criminal. Didn’t age well…

It's an utter mystery how Maxwell and Epstein found themselves guests at Sandringham, or how Windsor found himself in Epstein's house or on his island. Or why he had to do the honourable thing and travel across the Atlantic to tell Epstein he could no longer be friends. The world is a baffling place.

 

[Athos]

Yeah, but at the same time it’s easy to play on a jurors emotion by ‘smearing’ the accused. A jury is more likely to convict on balance of probabilities rather than a judge who would demand ‘proof’

In principle, maybe. But I'm not sure if pans out that way. Clearly, Andrew's lawyers think a jury is his best chance.

 

[MickiQ]

Will the proceedings be on TV? The Maxwell and Weinstein ones weren’t but they were federal affairs. I will go to church every Sunday for a year if we get to watch Andy giving evidence to a court.

I'll join you, I shall ask Mrs Q's god bothering aunt to have a word with her mate.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It's an utter mystery how Maxwell and Epstein found themselves guests at Sandringham, Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace, Balmoral, his daughter Beatrice's 18th birthday party...

 

[dessiato]

Mrs D to HWCS, "mate, just shut the fuck up, you're digging a big hole here." I tend to agree.

 

[Pickman's model]

Mrs D to HWCS, "mate, just shut the fuck up, you're digging a big hole here." I tend to agree.

 

[Sue]

The Today programme had a former DA on this morning explaining the legal significance (or not) of the responses on his form. From about 08:20.

 

[steveo87]

I keep on hearing 'trail by....' on the radio.
Massive disappointment that its not combat to be honest.

Then we'd see him sweat...not not.

 

[Teaboy]

It's an utter mystery how Maxwell and Epstein found themselves guests at Sandringham,

Balmoral as well.

Maybe Maxwell and Epstein had a habit of sneaking away from official tours?

 

[T & P]

Clearly they liked gatecrashing Royal residences and doing danger shags there, and poor Andrew and his family were completely unaware of their presence. There, he's innocent and telling the truth after all