Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Hollis]

That was the county line (probation condition).

Yeah - I realised that afterwards! But didn't want to derail further.. There is some heated legal debate on internetz over the jurisdiction of Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane. lols.

Does fleeing across the county line actually work for the Dukes of Hazzard?

 

[scalyboy]

Could someone explain to me how US plea bargaining works? I thought it was arranged prior to trial, i.e. the accused pleads guilty and in return gets a pre-arranged reduced sentence, saving the taxpayer the expense of a jury trial, but if they opt for a jury trial they run the risk of a longer sentence (or the death penalty where applicable).

But can it also apply to the pre-sentencing phase, i.e. if La Maxwell offers to name names in exchange for a reduced sentence? Or is the latter not the same as plea bargaining?

The latter, pre-sentencing arrangement to me sounds more like the kind of deals done by organised crime figures who rat on their associates, or that silly rapper with the facial tatts who grassed up his fellow gang members.

 

[danny la rouge]

Complain about the Dershowitz interview: Complaints | Contact the BBC

This will hopefully backfire on Andrew.

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[TopCat]

Ghislaine Maxwell: What the trial means for Prince Andrew

Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted of grooming teenagers. What does this mean for her former friend?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[danny la rouge]

My wording if anyone needs a crib sheet:

Presenting Alan Dershowitz as if he were neutral 

Alan Dershowitz was interviewed as a legal expert on the Maxwell verdict.

I want to complain about: 1) the choice to interview him; 2) that you didn't contextualise by mentioning that Dershowitz acted for Epstein, including the so-called "sweetheart deal", or that Virginia Giuffre accused him of abuse, or the defamation suits; 3) that you gave him a platform to undermine Giuffre, unchallenged, which he used to say that it shows how accusations against him and Prince Andrew are wrong.

How did this happen? Was it your intention to try to defend Prince Andrew and defame Guiffre?

I require specific answers to all of those points, not just a blanket admission that you had "fallen below standards". After your handling of the Savile case you should have learned lessons. 

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Because she is a woman who committed these crimes against children, and against the general societal philosophy of 'women don't do this type of thing', that's why it's in the 'worst crime imaginable' territory.

This doesn’t sit well on first reading as it seems women get treated more harshly just for being a woman. Yet with Maxwell, Hindley, West and so on the victims mostly would not have gone to their fates if it weren’t for the woman giving a sense of security around the situation.

 

[Athos]

Could someone explain to me how US plea bargaining works? I thought it was arranged prior to trial, i.e. the accused pleads guilty and in return gets a pre-arranged reduced sentence, saving the taxpayer the expense of a jury trial, but if they opt for a jury trial they run the risk of a longer sentence (or the death penalty where applicable).

But can it also apply to the pre-sentencing phase, i.e. if La Maxwell offers to name names in exchange for a reduced sentence? Or is the latter not the same as plea bargaining?

The latter, pre-sentencing arrangement to me sounds more like the kind of deals done by organised crime figures who rat on their associates, or that silly rapper with the facial tatts who grassed up his fellow gang members.

Under the Federal Rule of Criminal Proedure 35(b), a sentenced person can have that sentence reduced if they provide substantial assistance to the state in investigating/prosecuting another person; it usually has to happen within one year of the original sentencing. So, basically, if any appeal fails, she may well turn snitch to get a reduction if the authorities play ball, which'll depend on what evidence she can give against whom. Must be a few rich and powerful people shitting bricks, now.

 

[TopCat]

It;s going to look a bit iffy if she dies soon.

 

[MysteryGuest]

It;s going to look a bit iffy if she dies soon.

Brenda or Ghislaine?

 

[spitfire]

Could someone explain to me how US plea bargaining works? I thought it was arranged prior to trial, i.e. the accused pleads guilty and in return gets a pre-arranged reduced sentence, saving the taxpayer the expense of a jury trial, but if they opt for a jury trial they run the risk of a longer sentence (or the death penalty where applicable).

But can it also apply to the pre-sentencing phase, i.e. if La Maxwell offers to name names in exchange for a reduced sentence? Or is the latter not the same as plea bargaining?

The latter, pre-sentencing arrangement to me sounds more like the kind of deals done by organised crime figures who rat on their associates, or that silly rapper with the facial tatts who grassed up his fellow gang members.

Here's a thread from someone who seems to know what they are on about.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Under the Federal Rule of Criminal Proedure 35(b), a sentenced person can have that sentence reduced if they provide substantial assistance to the state in investigating/prosecuting another person; it usually has to happen within one year of the original sentencing. So, basically, if any appeal fails, she may well turn snitch to get a reduction. Must be a few rich and powerful people shitting bricks, now.

Substantial assistance would mean giving enough to warrant a charge against others, can she actually do that? Dershowitz seems covered, what does she have on the likes of Clinton that could stick?

 

[Athos]

Substantial assistance would mean giving enough to warrant a charge against others, can she actually do that? Dershowitz seems covered, what does she have on the likes of Clinton that could stick?

Who knows? She might have nothing more than her self-serving testimony that can't be corroborated. Or, if she had any sense, she might have some covert video footage that she's kept back for just this eventuality!

 

[scalyboy]

Here's a thread from someone who seems to know what they are on about.

Thanks

 

[brogdale]

Here's a thread from someone who seems to know what they are on about.

The crux of the matter from the perspective of Windsor:

 

[andysays]

Ghislaine Maxwell: What the trial means for Prince Andrew

Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted of grooming teenagers. What does this mean for her former friend?

www.bbc.co.uk

Was just coming here to post this

...the trial heard no evidence that Prince Andrew was ever allegedly involved in wrongdoing. But one of his former closest friends is now a convicted abuser.

During his 2019 BBC interview, Prince Andrew told Newsnight that his relationship with Epstein was a product of his long-standing friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell.

Specifically, he said he and Epstein first met in 1999 - and his closeness to Maxwell was the only reason he got to know the paedophile financier in the first place. Yet throughout this trial, Maxwell's accusers did not present her as some kind of unwitting helper for Epstein, but a woman who was central to his plans to commit abuse.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I was supposed to be seeing the Nutcracker at the Collesium today, just been cancelled as staff down with Covid, was a bit disappointed but contend myself that I’m not facing 60 years in stir

 

[Athos]

The crux of the matter from the perspective of Windsor:

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There's probably more public interest in seeing child abusers being convicted than in insisting that she serve her full sentence; it's unlikley she'll ever be in a position to reoffend, given the unusual circumstances of this case.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The crux of the matter from the perspective of Windsor:

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I doubt US prosecutors will fancy their chances of rolling this up to criminal charges against Prince Andrew. Nor will they want to deal with the fallout of giving Maxwell a sentence that could allow her to ever see daylight again.

 

[brogdale]

I doubt US prosecutors will fancy their chances of rolling this up to criminal charges against Prince Andrew. Nor will they want to deal with the fallout of giving Maxwell a sentence that could allow her to ever see daylight again.

I really don't have enough background to know what the authorities might do; fingers crossed that it causes him angst though.

 

[MickiQ]

I really don't have enough background to know what the authorities might do; fingers crossed that it causes him angst though.

I'm sure it's causing him angst at this very moment but alas we aren't getting to see it.

 

[Yossarian]

Nor will they want to deal with the fallout of giving Maxwell a sentence that could allow her to ever see daylight again.

Might happen if she could deliver damning evidence against Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, though I'm not sure prosecutors will be ambitious enough to try to lock up a third of the country's living presidents.

 

[1927]

Might happen if she could deliver damning evidence against Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, though I'm not sure prosecutors will be ambitious enough to try to lock up a third of the country's living presidents.

Putting aside the implications for justice another consideration, sadly, might be the likely celebrity status of any prosecutor prepared to take in the case. I couldn’t name an NY DA, but I bet I could if they decided to prosecute Trump, Clinton and their other associates.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

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This will hopefully backfire on Andrew.

I would do if the complaint form wasn't such a headache

 

[Magnus McGinty]

This comment pretty much nails it for Andrew's current predicament regarding this photo.


'Now we have Ghislaine Maxwell, sex trafficker, standing there next to a woman who says she was trafficked, next to Prince Andrew who says he wasn't there.'

 

[Aladdin]

I suspect Andy will be killed in a trafficking accident.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

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This will hopefully backfire on Andrew.

Done. Was easier than it first appeared.

 

[danny la rouge]

Done. Was easier than it first appeared.

Good man.

 

[Pickman's model]

It;s going to look a bit iffy if she dies soon.

No noose being in this case good noose

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Here are the details of your complaint:


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YOUR COMPLAINT:

Alan Dershowitz on BBC news 

Not a suitable person? Gary Glitter would have been more suitable! How on earth did that happen? Very much gives the appearance that the UK state broadcaster was trying to assist in destroying the credibility of a victim of child sexual abuse who is accusing a senior British Royal of committing that abuse.