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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

Trying to work out why the clips feel so incriminating, even though, on the face of it, he doesn't give anything away. Think it might be the repeated use of "It's nothing new". You don't need a go-to phrase like that if you've nothing to hide.
 
Trying to work out why the clips feel so incriminating, even though, on the face of it, he doesn't give anything away. Think it might be the repeated use of "It's nothing new". You don't need a go-to phrase like that if you've nothing to hide.
I suspect that will just be a line he's been fed by a PR/crisis management person, or even a legal adviser, to say as a stock response to shut the conversation down. Someone in his position and of his means will probably have hired someone to advise and may even have rehearsed potential questions and answers.

I don't think it's necessarily indicative of anything other than that really, ie he's been advised not to elaborate further, because it's so repetitive it sounds very scripted, to my ears, rather than him being cagey or evasive.
 
I'd be close to 100% certain that it's not possible for him to be a party to the agreement, because it's an agreement made in court in a case he wasn't involved in.
I’d be close to 100% certain he knows exactly what is written in that agreement, as the settlement was likely financed by him, in the hope it would prevent what’s currently happening to him.
 
"There's nothing new on that." And he pulls this face:gates.png





which is nothing like:

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The only thing I got from that video was that he wasn't happy about being asked that someone he knew had turned out to be a child sex offender which is fair enough. I wouldn't be happy being asked about it either especially if I had no idea they were.
I'd certainly be wondering why I had failed to pick up on it, could I have spotted something? could I have done something?. Plus the fact it's the sort of crime where people are automatically considered guilty by association especially when you're someone who already plays a central role in other people's crackpot theories.
I've no idea why he and his wife are getting divorced, perhaps she does suspect him of noncieness, perhaps he's been cheating on her, perhaps they're just sick of the sight of each other, it happens.
But saying that rather embarassing video is incriminating is more conspiracy theory nonsense.
 
The only thing I got from that video was that he wasn't happy about being asked that someone he knew had turned out to be a child sex offender which is fair enough. I wouldn't be happy being asked about it either especially if I had no idea they were.
but he met and hung out with him after he was convicted of child sex offences, that was the question he was asked in the clip?
 
Her actual words were "It was reported at that time you had a number of meetings with Jeffery Epstein who when you met him 10 years ago had been convicted of soliciting sex from minors", the clip starts mid-question so she may have said something more. What sort of meetings? In a lawyer's office in New York, In a pub for a few beers with a mate, On Epstein's island surrounded by underage girls in bikinis?. If the first he might very well have not known about Epsteins crimes, if it's the last then he should be wearing an orange jumpsuit. There's way too much reading between the lines going on here and a desire to convict Gates by association.
Epstein was a rich, powerful and important man and a lot of people will have met him who no doubt regret it. The only thing that video proves is that Gates give shit interviews like He Who Cannot Sweat. The thing with His Royal Noncieness is that there is plenty of other things that undermine his claims
 

The relationship between Bill and Epstein is widely considered to have been a factor in the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates. A source close to the pair told People Magazine that “Epstein is definitely a sore spot” for Melinda.

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Announcing their divorce, the couple gave no explanation for their separation beyond a joint statement shared on Twitter that said “we no longer believe we can grow together as a couple in this next phase of our lives”. But a former employee of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation told The Wall Street Journal that Melinda’s “concerns about the relationship” between her husband and Epstein “date as far back as 2013”.
 
I can't say that I'm happy finding myself defending Bill Gates but that article is full of 'according to a former employee' and 'according to a source', it might be rock solid or it might be just speculation. It's not a statement by the NYPD or the FBI.
Has Gates been investigated by either of them? The main reason that Epstein finally got his just deserts was that (despite efforts by his rich mates to brush it under the carpet) was that there were a few FBI agents and DA's that just wouldn't let it rest.
Again putting myself in his shoes, Mrs Q wouldn't be happy that someone I knew was/might be a kiddy fiddler. The difference between us is that I would probably listen to my wife. At worst that aticle proves that Gates didn't listen to his but that is still a long way from being proved a kiddie fiddler because he knew a kiddie fiddler. Perhaps he is but but most of the basis for any accusations is he knew one and was daft enough to not immediately drop any contact with Epstein as soon as he found out. Perhaps he believed Epsteins claims that was all a misunderstanding, I suspect a lot of people did that. It's easier to believe people you know personally rather than news reports by people you don't, that way you don't have to face up to the fact you were wrong about someone.
 
I can't say that I'm happy finding myself defending Bill Gates but that article is full of 'according to a former employee' and 'according to a source', it might be rock solid or it might be just speculation. It's not a statement by the NYPD or the FBI.
Has Gates been investigated by either of them? The main reason that Epstein finally got his just deserts was that (despite efforts by his rich mates to brush it under the carpet) was that there were a few FBI agents and DA's that just wouldn't let it rest.
Again putting myself in his shoes, Mrs Q wouldn't be happy that someone I knew was/might be a kiddy fiddler. The difference between us is that I would probably listen to my wife. At worst that aticle proves that Gates didn't listen to his but that is still a long way from being proved a kiddie fiddler because he knew a kiddie fiddler. Perhaps he is but but most of the basis for any accusations is he knew one and was daft enough to not immediately drop any contact with Epstein as soon as he found out. Perhaps he believed Epsteins claims that was all a misunderstanding, I suspect a lot of people did that. It's easier to believe people you know personally rather than news reports by people you don't, that way you don't have to face up to the fact you were wrong about someone.
I don't know if anyone has suggested he is himself a nonce? But he's someone who seems to have built his entire friendship/dealings with epstein in the period after his first conviction. Seems to be someone who thinks billionaires move in whatever circles they want, regardless of common decency.

Sounds like a lot of stuff will come out about gates when he dies. Hearsay of course, from the article and again there's no indication of noncery afaik. But, well, fuck him.
 
I’d be close to 100% certain he knows exactly what is written in that agreement, as the settlement was likely financed by him, in the hope it would prevent what’s currently happening to him.
I'm a bit confused by this, as the thread is now talking about Bill Gates as well as the DoY.

Are you actually suggesting that one of them was involved in financing Epstein's deal with Guiffre?
 
I can't say that I'm happy finding myself defending Bill Gates but that article is full of 'according to a former employee' and 'according to a source', it might be rock solid or it might be just speculation. It's not a statement by the NYPD or the FBI.
Has Gates been investigated by either of them? The main reason that Epstein finally got his just deserts was that (despite efforts by his rich mates to brush it under the carpet) was that there were a few FBI agents and DA's that just wouldn't let it rest.
Again putting myself in his shoes, Mrs Q wouldn't be happy that someone I knew was/might be a kiddy fiddler. The difference between us is that I would probably listen to my wife. At worst that aticle proves that Gates didn't listen to his but that is still a long way from being proved a kiddie fiddler because he knew a kiddie fiddler. Perhaps he is but but most of the basis for any accusations is he knew one and was daft enough to not immediately drop any contact with Epstein as soon as he found out. Perhaps he believed Epsteins claims that was all a misunderstanding, I suspect a lot of people did that. It's easier to believe people you know personally rather than news reports by people you don't, that way you don't have to face up to the fact you were wrong about someone.


No one has suggested that Gates is a nonce, rather that his friendship with Epstein was a factor in Melinda wishing to split, which does seem to be confirmed by many named sources.
 
Gates is known for womanising, chasing female staff and journalists, and for holding 'naked pool parties' with paid strippers in the early days of Microsoft. He then hung out with a convicted people trafficker after the conviction that everybody knew about. Personally, I'd be surprised if he hadn't joined in at some level.
 
Gates is known for womanising, chasing female staff and journalists, and for holding 'naked pool parties' with paid strippers in the early days of Microsoft. He then hung out with a convicted people trafficker after the conviction that everybody knew about. Personally, I'd be surprised if he hadn't joined in at some level.
If he was a leader in such things at Microsoft then I see no reason to conclude he simply joined in as a participant rather than being an organiser
 
I like Bill Gates, I like that he is giving his wealth back even if he isn't doing it fast enough, but I think there is something to his friendship with Epstein and I expect it was a consideration in his divorce. Interesting that Trump seen in pictures with Epstein nearly always has his arm around Melania, I wonder how old she was at the time? Anyhow any rich male who was friends with Epstein has to be suspicious.
 
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