Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[1927]

Making a profit is based on exploitation. How much exploitation is acceptable before you hold up your hand, palm out, and say thus far but no further?

Not necessarily.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not necessarily.

I think you'll find it is

But let's see your working, how can you make a profit without exploitation?

 

[klang]

I think you'll find it is

But let's see your working, how can you make a profit without exploitation?

by selling lots of really expensive stuff

 

[Pickman's model]

by selling lots of really expensive stuff

Which has been made by people whose labour has been exploited

 

[klang]

Which has been made by people whose labour has been exploited

maybe sell diy kits then?

 

[maomao]

I think you'll find it is

But let's see your working, how can you make a profit without exploitation?

Gambling and beating a bookmaker.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I think you'll find it is

But let's see your working, how can you make a profit without exploitation?

Buy selling something to rich people that they can buy easy as pish on the internet and marking it up. e.g. airplane tickets...

 

[Pickman's model]

Buy selling something to rich people that they can buy easy as pish on the internet and marking it up. e.g. airplane tickets...

Pilots and cabin crew and ancillary staff all still exploited, mind

 

[Saul Goodman]

I think you'll find it is

But let's see your working, how can you make a profit without exploitation?

Kidnapping rich people.

 

[Pickman's model]

Kidnapping rich people.

miles better than anything 1927 would have suggested

 

[Saul Goodman]

Gambling and beating a bookmaker.

Forget the gambling. Just charge people a tenner a time to beat bookmakers.

 

[MickiQ]

Q Enterprises which I own makes quite a good profit, however since I am it's entire workforce I suppose technically I am exploiting myself.

 

[Serge Forward]

Not necessarily.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Pilots and cabin crew and ancillary staff all still exploited, mind

Fuck all to do with me, they could buy their tickets from ba.com and those people would still be exploited. The people I exploit are the rich fuckers

 

[Wilf]

Legalistically, it seems like it's sort of a Schrödinger's cat type defence, ie simultaneously not guilty and guilty at the same time, in the sense of DoY's saying he's not guilty, absolutely not, no way, no sirree, and also, just supposing DoY was guilty, then if he were, the agreement/settlement between Giuffre and Epstein would cover him.

The argument that there's no case to answer because he's not guilty, or in the alternative, there's no case to answer because he's covered by the agreement, is very legalistic, covers all bases. But it does look dodgy as fuck.

To me, it seems like that's how desperate they are for this not to go trial. The stronger argument would be not guilty, full stop, but then if he was found guilty to say, well, he's covered by this agreement, so his guilt is irrelevant. The fact that they've gone with the Schrödinger's type defence is, erm, interesting. Makes me wonder whether it was more of a civil law lawyer rather than a criminal law lawyer who came up with that strategy, relying on the terms of a civil law agreement, and not thinking how that might look in terms of [perception of] guilt.

That puts it better than I would have, but is just what I was thinking. There was only ever a single good 'look' that he could have reached for in his defence, which was not guilty. Whether that 'not guilty' was made up of 'it must have been a faked photo' through to 'did have sex but it was consensual and non-trafficked' would get less and less of a good look, but nonetheless a not guilty approach. What he has gone with might be a legally consistent strategy for the moment, in the sense that lawyers can advise all kind of apparently contradictory legal moves to stop a thing in it's tracks. However it seems to me the Scrondinger's 'I didn't do it but even if I did I am pre-excused from legal action' causes massive problems for him if it ultimately gets to a court.

Unless of course they are arguing that the earlier agreement meant she couldn't sue anybody for epstein related abuse. Now that would be a really interesting line of argument.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Fuck all to do with me, they could buy their tickets from ba.com and those people would still be exploited. The people I exploit are the rich fuckers

Who answers your telephones?

 

[1927]

Who answers your telephones?

Maybe he pays his telephone answering staff mega bucks!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Who answers your telephones?

I do, why?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Maybe he pays his telephone answering staff mega bucks!

Maybe he doesn’t have customer support. Which would be odd. Or maybe they profit share, which would be equally unusual but not unheard of.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I do, why?

I that a rhetorical question? Lol

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I that a rhetorical question? Lol

I that a rhetorical question?


Are you exploiting a non-English speaker to post for you or something?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I that a rhetorical question?


Are you exploiting a non-English speaker to post for you or something?

Are you being racist?

So ergo if you’re employing people directly then how isn’t that in any way an exploitation of Labour?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Are you being racist?

So ergo if you’re employing people directly then how isn’t that in any way an exploitation of Labour?

My company currently has three employees, me, Frau Bahn and Ken. Ken has been on furlough since last April, I have been topping his wages up to 100% and paying the NI all the way through out of my own pocket. He also has been working and will continue to do so when furlough ends for Waitrose. If anyone has been exploited here it is you for paying your taxes to fund Ken’s alcohism.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

My company currently has three employees, me, Frau Bahn and Ken. Ken has been on furlough since last April, I have been topping his wages up to 100% and paying the NI all the way through out of my own pocket. He also has been working and will continue to do so when furlough ends for Waitrose. If anyone has been exploited here it is you for paying your taxes to fund Ken’s alcohism.

I admire the wriggle towards a specific time period to build an opposing argument upon, but you have been in business preceding the pandemic. I don’t care tbh. But don’t bullshit.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I admire the wriggle towards a specific time period to build an opposing argument upon, but you have been in business preceding the pandemic. I don’t care tbh. But don’t bullshit.

Yeah, I’m a right cunt capitalist, exploiting Ken for years.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Yeah, I’m a right cunt capitalist, exploiting Ken for years.

And do you have a cleaner? Or does Ken do that also?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And do you have a cleaner? Or does Ken do that also?

I do it. Ken gave advice as to the vacuum cleaner to go for though, it was/is good and I didn’t pay him any bonus for that advice.

 

[andysays]

I think I preferred this thread when it was about the rain...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I do it. Ken gave advice as to the vacuum cleaner to go for though, it was/is good and I didn’t pay him any bonus for that advice.

Imagine all the holidays you aren’t selling whilst you’re dusting the skirting boards!

 

[DaveCinzano]

Imagine all the holidays you aren’t selling whilst you’re dusting the skirting boards!

Hark at Henry T Ford here!