Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh the research appears less than rigorous
tbh the research appears less than rigorous
Quel surprisetbh the research appears less than rigorous
not told who actually conducted the survey or survey size. thought might reference an academic article: but no. nor does it refer to any existing research which supports its findingsQuel surprise
My dad's fucked then. He was 78 when his mum diedperhaps we don't really achieve adulthood until the deaths of our parents.
I think all of that has a bearing on the discussion here. Rock/popstars had ready made markets of female fans, ready to pay the sexual price of access - along with a music industry that almost factored groupiedom into the structure of tours and gigs. However whilst there were no doubt teenage boys who hung around Suzi Quatro's stage door it would have been very unlikely that they would have been admitted, beyond the routine signing of autographs. In fact, there's a question, are there stories of female stars who have abused underage boys or in any way included them in their 'entourage'? I would guess there aren't, might be wrong though.
prince charles will never become an adultMy dad's fucked then. He was 78 when his mum died
You might be right in emphasising the physical differences of adolescent boys and girls, to some extent. Yes, certainly an older female rock star might not get much of a 'performance' out of a 14 year old boy, but I don't think that's the issue. The reasons you don't see female popstars with younger males hanging off them are cultural, it would look 'odd', confusing, weird, simply out of place. But whilst I'm sure male stars are a bit more wary about public appearances with adolescent girls nowadays, the idea of groupiedom feeds of something in our culture. Something rather nasty.The difference between boy and girl groupies? It doesn't really work with boys, does it? Well not hetero ones anyway.
The most basic one would be that boy groupies would have relatively very little to offer sexually to (older) female rock stars, would they? Don't think I've ever heard of a female rocker getting off on spotty nerds coming in their trousers on introduction. Never seen a girl pop star with younger male fans hanging off them.
Young girls - basically 'have her scrubbed and sent to my tent' - on the other hand are quite an ego boost/power trip for some and a whole new level of debauchery/power fantasy for those who have grown bored with the thousands of older girls offering themselves up.
Just a thought.
Apparently he was accused of rape in 1987, but not charged.
The Complicated Sexual History of David Bowie
I have no memory of this being reported, but the story doesn't appear to have been repressed. FWIW I'm not introducing this as some killer piece of evidence, it's a good idea to believe women but that doesn't mean specific cases are true.
So long as he never becomes king.prince charles will never become an adult
I'd have big questions about, say, a middle aged man with a 17 year old. Like, what is it he wants from a relationship that a woman who is his equal in experience does not provide? Because, of the many answers to that question, all of them spell unhealthy relationship to me.
Also other power imbalances, any students I teach will be over 18 but (quite rightly) I'm not allowed to have a sexual relationship with them.
perhaps we don't really achieve adulthood until the deaths of our parents.
Umm ... if a victim does not agree to 'it', and it's penetrative, it's rape whether the victim is 14, 40 or 82
During the RTS'/Rave period, there were plenty of middle aged guys(40 plus) with young girls, 17/18, etc, there was one guy here 42 at the time going out with a 17 yr old, her parents seemed to approve, and he was with her awhile, though when he split up with her, he said he "still occasionally shagged her" so no questions by then it was just physical. This relationship was never commented on by the RTS lot, the guy still acted like this across Europe during the big A/C protests, he wasn't alone, I recall plenty of predatory males in that culture.
During the RTS'/Rave period, there were plenty of middle aged guys(40 plus) with young girls, 17/18, etc, there was one guy here 42 at the time going out with a 17 yr old, her parents seemed to approve, and he was with her awhile, though when he split up with her, he said he "still occasionally shagged her" so no questions by then it was just physical. This relationship was never commented on by the RTS lot, the guy still acted like this across Europe during the big A/C protests, he wasn't alone, I recall plenty of predatory males in that culture.
Oh sorry! Misunderstood. Fast-moving threadOf course it is. I was responding to the debate earlier in the thread about whether a situation where a 13-16 year old agrees to have penetrative sex is treated as rape in law. It isn't.
Reclaim The StreetsWhat's the London RTS?
Now the subject has been broached, I think it's well worth discussing how decrepit old lefty 'Gurus' incredibly seemed to punch well above their weight in the sexual stakes with young female activists.
I'm sure they would argue the girls were bowled over by their massive intellects - I always felt they were sordid old cunts preying on impressionable young women, myself.
I'm sure the truth falls somewhere between the two. I'd be intereseted in people sharing their experiences and their views (both then and now) of this phenomenon.