belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
25, same age as Bowie, and 1980
Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls
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trashpony
Hag
Grim isn't it?Jesus, really?
Thank you kindly phildwyer. I note even your presence has not brought the usual suspects out in force - yet. One or two have been sniffing around, especially at the start, but all these nice, intelligent people seem to have seen them off (mostly politely).
An interesting observation. I've been troubled for a long time by aspects of how all this has evolved. I often ponder if the establishment is not deliberately driving an overload of outrage etc just so the general public eventually gets so sick of hearing it that the lights that need to be shone in some very dark corners will never get there or be seen because of the floodlights focussed on celebrities, IYKWIM.
Your qustion seems very pertinent.
That's handy. How people post/respond to whatever it is he is supposed to have done will be illuminating then.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Understandable, but there is a fine and dangerous line between using something like that to explain the behaviour, and using it as a justification. If someone used that line with me, I'd want to know what they had done to change it.
The difference between boy and girl groupies? It doesn't really work with boys, does it? Well not hetero ones anyway.
The most basic one would be that boy groupies would have relatively very little to offer sexually to (older) female rock stars, would they? Don't think I've ever heard of a female rocker getting off on spotty nerds coming in their trousers on introduction. Never seen a girl pop star with younger male fans hanging off them.
Young girls - basically 'have her scrubbed and sent to my tent' - on the other hand are quite an ego boost/power trip for some and a whole new level of debauchery/power fantasy for those who have grown bored with the thousands of older girls offering themselves up.
Just a thought.
The most basic one would be that boy groupies would have relatively very little to offer sexually to (older) female rock stars, would they? Don't think I've ever heard of a female rocker getting off on spotty nerds coming in their trousers on introduction. Never seen a girl pop star with younger male fans hanging off them.
Young girls - basically 'have her scrubbed and sent to my tent' - on the other hand are quite an ego boost/power trip for some and a whole new level of debauchery/power fantasy for those who have grown bored with the thousands of older girls offering themselves up.
Just a thought.
What did he do?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I have good reason for saying what I said and it goes way beyond your pithy little statement here. I've also read Urban's "no lawyers please" thread so have no desire to go beyond what I've said. That Jones himself apparently claims abuse as a reason for his 'behaviour' I also find crass. But typical. Sorry if I've disappointed you about your hero. I'm sure a cup of tea will sort you out. Others might not have that luxury.
Is that not why lots of young men are traditionally atracted to this as a career?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Using his own experience as a victim of abuse to explain/justify his behaviour.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you could link to where jones said what you allege, so i can look st it in context, i'd be grateful.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's in Rock 'n' Roll Swindle. You know it, the fictional film which Steve Jones didn't write the script for.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
right, the maclaren version
I don't think so at all. Not then. Not now. Consenting adults and all that
It was the age gap thing.
Considered to be wrong by her folks.Seven months with a very pretty young thing - just not young enough to worry me.
I probably wouldn't do it now, even if I were still just 43.
S/he wasn't her professor? Few more questions if so. Employer? Fewer more, but some. Neither? No probs.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I might be projecting... but I've had a lot of conversations with people in the past where we said that we didn't really become the people we recognise as our adult selves until some time in our mid twenties. Obviously not all young people experience that, but i think it's pretty common.
I think an age gap of ten years between say, 21 and 31 one is far, far bigger than one of twenty years between 31 and 51.
I think an age gap of ten years between say, 21 and 31 one is far, far bigger than one of twenty years between 31 and 51.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
I dunno... my son has been with his girlfriend who is 15 years his senior since he was 20 - he's now 26. I love her dearly - she dragged my son kicking and screaming into adulthood - and I think they are superbly suited to each other. Sometimes it just works eh?
I was "interesting" and she was as bright as a spark, plus I could get tickets for anything.
early 30s, in some cases.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Yeah - I dunno. Obviously it does.
Wrong. It was made in 1978, when he was 22.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yes, else's in 80 but filmed early 78, so you would be right. But also irrelevant as he's playing a role.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah that's true for me. Around 27 I would say.
Doesn't mean you can't find a good relationship before that, though, clearly.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
This age gap thing is interesting, though not the topic of the thread originally, so forgive me this further derailment.
I used to be a security officer, and one of the places I worked at was a hostel, mostly the residents were young people, aged 16 to about 21ish. We were lone workers, handling things once the staff had fucked off. My fellow guards, during my time there, were alright with the exception of CuntyBollocks. Now he was a man in his mid 40s and he tried to be matey with the residents, which is not on BUT over the course of a few weeks I started having huge concerns over his conduct with several residents in particular.
He'd allow them in our office, a huge no no. He'd let these ones drink alcohol there, smoke there whilst not letting others have the same freedom. He would hug 2 of the young female residents (16 n 17 years old) close etc. I tried talking to him, the client, our employer, all to no avail.
This all came to a head one weekend. The door was propped open, allowing anyone access. I found CuntyBollocks in the office with the female residents next to him on a sofa, reading through the log book. There was also a male resident passed out drunk. I kicked them out, shouted at CuntyBollocks and that was that....until the next day. I came on duty, couldn't find him anywhere. I got worried, went looking and found him fucking a 16 year old female resident in a side room! This was a really vulnerable girl as well, very easy to take advantage of. I went mental, told him not to come back and if he did, I'd have him nicked.
Now I know it wasn't statutory rape or paedophilia as such but a 45ish year old, in a position of trust, smashing a vulnerable 16 year olds back doors in? Nah, borderline/noncery for me.
As an aside, I was pulled in by the security company and told she was legal and CuntyBollocks had only overstepped his duties and wouldn't face any disciplinary procedures. I however, thanks to bollocking him and insisting he be replaced HAD gone too far and would be getting a written warning. I told them to stick their job up their fucking arse,walked out and pissed off to America.
I used to be a security officer, and one of the places I worked at was a hostel, mostly the residents were young people, aged 16 to about 21ish. We were lone workers, handling things once the staff had fucked off. My fellow guards, during my time there, were alright with the exception of CuntyBollocks. Now he was a man in his mid 40s and he tried to be matey with the residents, which is not on BUT over the course of a few weeks I started having huge concerns over his conduct with several residents in particular.
He'd allow them in our office, a huge no no. He'd let these ones drink alcohol there, smoke there whilst not letting others have the same freedom. He would hug 2 of the young female residents (16 n 17 years old) close etc. I tried talking to him, the client, our employer, all to no avail.
This all came to a head one weekend. The door was propped open, allowing anyone access. I found CuntyBollocks in the office with the female residents next to him on a sofa, reading through the log book. There was also a male resident passed out drunk. I kicked them out, shouted at CuntyBollocks and that was that....until the next day. I came on duty, couldn't find him anywhere. I got worried, went looking and found him fucking a 16 year old female resident in a side room! This was a really vulnerable girl as well, very easy to take advantage of. I went mental, told him not to come back and if he did, I'd have him nicked.
Now I know it wasn't statutory rape or paedophilia as such but a 45ish year old, in a position of trust, smashing a vulnerable 16 year olds back doors in? Nah, borderline/noncery for me.
As an aside, I was pulled in by the security company and told she was legal and CuntyBollocks had only overstepped his duties and wouldn't face any disciplinary procedures. I however, thanks to bollocking him and insisting he be replaced HAD gone too far and would be getting a written warning. I told them to stick their job up their fucking arse,walked out and pissed off to America.
Cid
Proper break this time
Mid 20s/early 30s... Probably 29/30 for me. iirc this has been explored by SCIENCE a bit, but I can't think of how to google it.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
So you are basically accepting that all pop stars are paedophiles! And victim blaming! And I'm the one that gets shafted usually on these threads! Ffs.
trashpony
Hag
Nope. I've read that four times and still can't figure out how you came to those conclusions. Sorry, conclusions!
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