danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I have missed several pages, but is there anyone saying otherwise?
Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls
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Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
I agree. I don't think anyone disagrees. But should it not therefore be talked about? Leaving aside the grown men, because I'm not convinced there are nuances I want to discuss there, why can't this conversation be just as much - if not more so - about the kids swept up/left in the wake of all this? I would like to discuss their (my) agency, not shut it down because the men were wrong.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Also the pop music industry is massively male dominated with only a few exceptions (Beyonce, Lady Gaga etc) I think someone uploaded a graphic showing what the reading festival would look like if it only included bands with at least one woman in them, hardly anyone. Could that have something to do with it?
Surely the pop-star media star pin-up was as much predicated on the sheer impossible distance between youngsters in their bedrooms and the objects of their adoration. A completely safe fantasy purely because of the sheer unlikelihood of real life interaction.
it's more to do with what boys are socialised to find attractive, I think. Power & success aren't really involved (in fact are negatives).
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
To whom?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
both partners presumably
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Dunno - I watched the Christmas TOTP and was struck by how many female artists were on plus teh kids are all talking about Adele, Jess Glynne, Fleur East, Selena Gomez etc
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Indeed, though as we've mentioned the john peel thread she did call him out on his behaviour pretty much before anyone else. I'm sure it was part of her contraversialism, but she got it right in terms of both the behaviour itself and also the free pass he got in the media.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I have no wish to silence anyone. I think another thread that explores the choices (informed or not) that young girls make would be very useful. I don't deny the validity of these girls feelings either. If my daughter said when she was 13 that she loved and was in a relationship with an older man, I would not say she was silly etc but I would have stopped it from continuing.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
To society.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Then it is a horribly reductive position.
If, by "to society", you mean "legally", then you cannot have paid any attention to poster after poster (including me) who has explained, clearly and patiently, why the mere question of legality is only a small part of the issue. And yet you haven't seen fit to challenge that argument beyond making bald statements like this.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Anyone having sex with someone without gaining their enthusiastic consent is a cunt of the highest order. Do you disagree?
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
Why another thread? Why can't one that discusses men who were wrong also include the girls who were not wrong?* They're connected after all - i don't think one should be discussed without acknowledging the other in fact. Although I think I've run out of 2ps to spend
Doesn't mean I think another thread is a bad idea
*I've put that really bluntly, but i hope people know what i mean.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
frankly i'd be interested to find out how many bands' managers are women.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this is urban. we like threads.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what is 'enthusiastic' consent? What if its only keen consent, or even milder (but still consent)?
And regarding 'over-16s' - is that fine when its, say, a 50 year old and a 17 year old? Even tho, as we've affirmed throughout the thread, plenty of seventeen year olds are less mature than plenty of 15 year olds?
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
Do we also like mutual exclusivity?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
depends on the rates it pays. might be better than a bank.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
My cousin's wife is a singer-songwriter's (I won't say which one) manager.
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
If likes were interest...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
No, of course I don't disagree. But the debate has gone considerably further than that, and nobody's actually disagreeing with your ad nauseam restating of this fact.
As a hetero teenager in 1963/4, the wall above my bed (i shared one room with two brothers) had pictures of the Beatles on it. Football didn't interest me, but the music of the 'fabfour' and other Merseysound stuff did. i might have had some 'pin up' pictures of women (ie, Dianna Rigg) had i not been fearful of the consequences from my dad.. i suppose sexual repression was quite widespread for my generation.
i've often thought that i am a bit of an oddity - some of the points made in this thread confirm it really. Oh well.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Even that's not so straightforward. Bad sex in an ltr that may be in the process of going wrong - sad, empty sex - can involve less than enthusiastic consent from one or other party. Doesn't necessarily make people cunts of the highest order - just flawed human beings.
1%er
Well-Known Member
Angie Bowie managed David at some point, but can't think of any other atm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but that's not saying anything is it because we're all flawed.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think I provided my own repression. Or, more likely, that any expression of sexuality might have prompted some prurient and embarrassing conversations from my mother
So I kept my passions very much to myself, too. I seem to recall having a bit of a thing for Cheryl Ladd, but, lacking a television, there wasn't a huge amount of scope to spot others
But, actually, in common (I suspect now, but didn't then) with a lot of teenage boys, I found the manifestations and practicalities of emergent sexuality confusing and (ahem
) impenetrable - I always had the sense that it was a kind of game being played to rules everybody but me knew...
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Sharon Arden?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i thought you'd be more a farrah fawcett manI think I provided my own repression. Or, more likely, that any expression of sexuality might have prompted some prurient and embarrassing conversations from my mother
So I kept my passions very much to myself, too. I seem to recall having a bit of a thing for Cheryl Ladd, but, lacking a television, there wasn't a huge amount of scope to spot others
But, actually, in common (I suspect now, but didn't then) with a lot of teenage boys, I found the manifestations and practicalities of emergent sexuality confusing and (ahem
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