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The important thing is Corbyn & co have got to avoid saying the stupid things like Milliband did. Ie the pure foot in mouth moments inviting ridicule from the popular press.
It doesn't really matter what Corbyn says: it'll still be presented by the press as a "foot in mouth moment". Everything to the left of Ghengis Khan is "loony". Even if Corbyn was polished on TV and effective in debate (neither of which he is), he'd still be up against an establishment that wants us all to regard social democracy as old fashioned, backward, unrealistic, unsuitable for modern demands, ill-thought-out, and for cranks and crazies.
 
Clutching at straws: if there's a movement to the Tories in Scotland, might there be a smaller movement to the SNP when people sense the danger? Or is the SNP vote maxed out/Labour vote at its absolute floor?
 
Even if Corbyn was polished on TV and effective in debate (neither of which he is), he'd still be up against an establishment that wants us all to regard social democracy as old fashioned, backward, unrealistic, unsuitable for modern demands, ill-thought-out, and for cranks and crazies.
well they're right about social democracy, if for the wrong reasons

I agree though in how he will be presented and in any case it's impossible to avoid saying stupid stuff. literally every politician does it. somehow Corbyn has to create a narrative against that - his campaign is trying to use him being 'unpolished' in that way aren't they, that he's real in a way the others are not. But then the issues feeding into his perceived ineffectualness are much deeper than his personal manner.
 
Although I don't see Corbyn winning, I also am not sure Labour will lose many, if any, seats at this time. Other than the situations we've already had, due to Blairites like Tristram Hunt leaving his seat, I can't see that on a local level Labour voters voting out their MP's en masse, even though they all seem to despise Jeremy.
 
Although I don't see Corbyn winning, I also am not sure Labour will lose many, if any, seats at this time. Other than the situations we've already had, due to Blairites like Tristram Hunt leaving his seat, I can't see that on a local level Labour voters voting out their MP's en masse, even though they all seem to despise Jeremy.

It's not about voting out MPs though, it's about voting them in.
 
Clutching at straws: if there's a movement to the Tories in Scotland, might there be a smaller movement to the SNP when people sense the danger? Or is the SNP vote maxed out/Labour vote at its absolute floor?
I think the SNP vote in 2015 was the outlier. So it's not really a story about the SNP vote dropping - taken over a longer period, it's risen remarkably.

I think what happened in 2015 is that the Labour anti-Tory vote went to the SNP. In that election, the indyref1 was only just behind us, and most of the public thought independence was now off the table for the foreseeable.

Things have changed. Brexit meant that the Better Together promise of "vote No to stay in Europe" had been shown to be shoddy. Put together with the big Remain majority in Scotland, independence is back on the table.

The Scottish Tories played a very single-minded campaign from that point. They became about the Union and nothing else. Even when the SNP weren't talking about independence, the Tories were. I was away for a few days last week, on my return I had four Tory leaflets through my door ostensibly about the local government elections, but devoted entirely to the indyref2.

It appears to be paying off.

So, yes, the polarisation might push the SNP vote up a little, but I don't think the Labour vote has far to fall from here. And those still clinging to Labour at this point are going to be very anti-SNP.

It's going to be a story of voters weighing up whether they're more anti-Tory than pro-Union. And what kind of Union they're willing to defend.
 
It's totally nuts isn't it?

But thats because the MoS is being dishonest -comparing their poll with that of another pollster,Clearly the MoS editor hates Dacre with a passion taking a contrary position to the Daily Mail on everything.

Survation,the MoS pollster, have always exaggerated ukip support and continue to do so which is why they have the Tories on 40.

All other polls taken since Mummy called the election have the Tories going thru the roof because ukip is collapsing.
 
This is the mail on Sunday, using results from 2 different polls to fashion an urgent call to actions for its readership, get out there and vote for May she needs you etc.
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So, no Labour MPs in Scotland (and possibly up to 12 Tory MPs from Scotland), and 21 Tory MPs from Wales (and 10 of those taken from Labour).

Not looking like the Celtic fringe is much help this time.
 
Have any more Welsh only polls been taken?

Just had a look at my parent´s constituency of Newport West, and indeed looks possible to turn Tory if you lazily transfer the UKIP vote over to the vermin. My Dad is going to be pleased.
 
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