free spirit
more tea vicar?
Surely it's got to be another nail in their coffin up there to be seen to advocate voting tory (and even lib dem now).
Political polling
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I know quite a few Old Labour types who hate the SNP (or are at least very suspicious of the 'Tartan Tories') but the idea that they'd even think about voting for the Tories is so far out that I can't believe Labour are even considering this.
ETA Well actually, I can. Just another sign of their complete lack of understanding of 'their ' voters.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Labour should have fucking hounded him themselves.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Christ, the SLP are fucking idiots aren't they. I mean how can they not see that on their own terms this is a terrible strategy. So inept that it almost defies belief.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Survation
LAB 34% (+4)
CON - 28% (-3)
UKIP - 19% (-4)
LDEM - 10% (+3)
GRN - 4% (+1)
LAB 34% (+4)
CON - 28% (-3)
UKIP - 19% (-4)
LDEM - 10% (+3)
GRN - 4% (+1)
bemused
Well-Known Member
Nicola Sturgeon strikes me as the most credible leader out of all the other parties. I enjoying listening to her.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I've just put this on the Murphy/S Lab thread:
"The Scottish Tories see matters more clearly. In Edinburgh and Glasgow and Aberdeen, cities where the SNP is challenging Labour, there is considerable anecdotal evidence supporting the suspicion that many Tories are prepared to vote Labour, the better to thwart the nationalist advance. They would rather risk a Labour government than an SNP landslide that might put Cameron back in Downing Street."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features...at-westminster-could-mean-the-end-of-britain/
"The Scottish Tories see matters more clearly. In Edinburgh and Glasgow and Aberdeen, cities where the SNP is challenging Labour, there is considerable anecdotal evidence supporting the suspicion that many Tories are prepared to vote Labour, the better to thwart the nationalist advance. They would rather risk a Labour government than an SNP landslide that might put Cameron back in Downing Street."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features...at-westminster-could-mean-the-end-of-britain/
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
They're easily confused, then?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, they're Unionists. So they might think it's the lesser of two evils. Also, Labour...they're not very different.
I don't know how true it is, but I thought it worth reporting for your edification. But if enough of them do it, it could be significant. We're talking about around 16% of the vote in 2010.
Fez909
toilet expert
That is mental, and I'm not sure I fully understand his reasoning.
He says that a Tory win would mean Nationalist claims of being unrepresented by Westminster are stronger, whereas at least Labour will have some support up North. But what does he think happens in 5 years time if Labour win this election...that the Tories will have a resurgence? That SNP will just go away? If the next Prime Minister is Labour or Tory, SNP will still get a majority in Holyrood.
I don't get it.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
He's a Tory. I read him because he writes from a Scottish Tory perspective. They do exist.
What he means is this: the Tories are a toxic brand in Scotland. Another 5 years of Tory government with a large SNP presence at Westminster will be (he thinks) a good way for the SNP of demonstrating the "democratic deficit".
The SNP exists, remember, to promote independence. The referendum was lost, but that doesn't mean they don't still believe in it. (People are like that).
- I'll finish this thought later. Something's come up.
Fez909
toilet expert
I get all that, but what happens in 5yrs time in his view? Does he think the SNP are going to run out of steam? That Labour for 5 years will end Independence movements and therefore it's safe again to have a Tory govt?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not sure what you mean. Do you mean why he claims Tories are intending to vote Labour? That's to try and stop SNP getting so many MPs.
Fez909
toilet expert
Well, if there aren't a load of SNP MPs there will be more Labour, and so the Tories lose. But that will also be true in 2020 and beyond.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You have to take each election as it comes, I suppose.
I don't think Massie is advocating this; he says it's what people are planning. Indeed he points out that several measures others thought would kill the SNP in fact didn't.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You get that they're tactical voters in seats the Tories can't win?
I suppose what you have to remember is that although it's a Westminster election, we're looking at polls which suggest the SNP would be the largest party in Scotland. The theory is that Scottish Tory voters find that more terrible a thought than a Labour government. Which could be a by product of lending Labour their vote.
I suppose what you have to remember is that although it's a Westminster election, we're looking at polls which suggest the SNP would be the largest party in Scotland. The theory is that Scottish Tory voters find that more terrible a thought than a Labour government. Which could be a by product of lending Labour their vote.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
He's a libertarian of the "guns and hash plants" variety I think, which isn't the strict Scottish Tory party line.
He's usually worth reading in any case. I agree with what I think you are implying - the Scottish Tory vote is often overlooked, and the number of them tends to be underestimated.
Fez909
toilet expert
I get that, but the bit I don't get is wanting the Tories to lose the next election. I understand the reasoning behind it; I just don't see what it gains them - unless they are putting the union over party politics - which I don't believe is the case here.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
The Scottish Tories have a strong unionist element, it was the Unionist Party until the mid 1960s when it merged with the Conservative party. It's not exactly the same as the English Tories though - I can't imagine Ruth Davidson being the leader of the wider party.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The story is that they're putting the union over party politics. It's not that they want the Tories to lose the election; it's that they hate the SNP. Remember there's only one Tory MP in Scotland, and the 16% who vote Tory are spread out across constituencies rather than in high enough concentrations in any one area to win others.
Now, we only have Massie's word for this being a trend. And though I'm not saying he's lying, it remains to be seen how many people will actually vote that way come May.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Yes, I more accurately should have called him a right winger.He's a libertarian of the "guns and hash plants" variety I think, which isn't the strict Scottish Tory party line.
And yes, it's too easy to say " there's only one Tory in Scotland"; there isn't - there's 16% of the electorate.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Can they stick them all on an island somewhere, come independence? There's quite a few to choose from. We don't want them fleeing south of the border for asylum and boosting the numbers here.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
those islands arelib dem strongholds, they'd have to agree with nick
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not all of them. Orkney and Shetland are.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Western Isles have been firmly Nat since 2005 and they were Labour before that.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Maybe a suitable place for Clegg to retire to, a nice little cottage on Unst called Dunleadin'...
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