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Anyway saw two interesting polls today. This poll is a candid look from Tim Montgomerie at conservativehome at some polling about how the Tories would govern on their own, and how they're percieved, and this one from Yougov showing just how damaging immigration is as a political issue for Labour. Complete with this intimidating graph.

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Does this show that immigration is damaging for Labour? The UKIP and Con bars are meaningless, and even a majority of Labour voters feel that Labour "admitted too many immigrants" it's only damaging if that actually causes people to not vote for Labour.
 
There's a lot of reliance on regression to the mean, but no recognition that in a post-LD and new-UKIP world, we no longer know what that mean actually is.
True, but if he'd been paying attaention to the cross-breaks showing the LD shedding and UKIP mopping, he'd have been able to produce a much better model.
 
YG/ST:

LAB 39%
CON 33%
UKIP 12%
LDEM 9%,

And hilarious analysis from Rentoul.

Why the Tories are home and dry in 2015

That's the next election, then. Friday's growth figures were not decisive, but they were the end of the beginning of the election. From now on, the facts of economic life are Conservative.

They pay money for this. Real money.

edit: also survation:

LAB 35%
CON 29%
UKIP 17%
LDEM 12%
 
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ComRes for the Independent...

ComRes’s monthly poll for the Independent is out tonight and has topline figures of:-

CON 28%(-5), LAB 36%(-1), LD 11%(nc), UKIP 12%(+1), Others 13%(+5).

A significant drop for the Conservatives, and a significant increase for minor parties. The eight point lead for Labour is the largest ComRes have shown in their telephone polls since March.

....and on the specific issue of NL's proposed Energy Price Freeze....

ComRes found the same widespread support for Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy prices that we’ve seen elsewhere – 80% support the policy, 17% oppose it. However only 41% of people actually think Miliband would deliver on the promise if Labour formed a government, 52% think he will not.

...which kinda says it all.
 
The "Others" category being on 13% is quite amazing, especially when you consider until recently UKIP would've been counted under Others bringing the total to 25%. I wonder who those others are? It mentions Plaid, SNP, Greens and the BNP but even combined they doesn't reach 13%.
 
The "Others" category being on 13% is quite amazing, especially when you consider until recently UKIP would've been counted under Others bringing the total to 25%. I wonder who those others are? It mentions Plaid, SNP, Greens and the BNP but even combined they doesn't reach 13%.

Agreed. Anthony the blogger says...

I’ll make the usual caveats about big movements in polls – they could be the sign of something, or could just random sample variation (the big increase in “others” looks particularly odd, so do remember Twyman’s Law – if something looks unusual or interesting in a poll, it’s probably wrong).

:D
 
ComRes is good at excluding people who don't intend to vote or didn't vote last time, IIRC, so perhaps they are rolled up in "other".
 
ComRes is good at excluding people who don't intend to vote or didn't vote last time, IIRC, so perhaps they are rolled up in "other".

I don't think so. IIRC ComRes straight exclude those respondents catagorised as under '5' on their likelyhood to vote scale. More likely this 'others' number is just a rogue number for whatever reason...?
 
Yes, it's quite odd though. They'd be too clever to overweight respondents from devolved countries. Perhaps they did too much fieldwork in Bradford West.
 
True enough it probably is a rogue number or outlier, but then again there's been a noticable trend for a good few years now of the "others" category creeping up. It's worth keeping an eye on where that number goes in the future.
 
True enough it probably is a rogue number or outlier, but then again there's been a noticable trend for a good few years now of the "others" category creeping up. It's worth keeping an eye on where that number goes in the future.

True enough. After all, it's not just urbanites that feel incapable of supporting any of the three major political wings of capitalism.
 
My totally anecdotal "feel", though, is that support for others in a general election tends to collapse.
 
Hidden away in that laughable Rentoul piece linked to on sunday there is this:

Government red list means 200,000 Merseyside voters may be disenfranchised

Up to 200,000 people across Merseyside could find themselves unable to vote at the next General Election.

In Liverpool alone, there are more than 70,000 who have been identified as being on a “red list” of voters who, while on the electoral roll, do not appear on records held by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

Changes being pushed through by the Government mean that anyone on that list must re-register.

The move would also mean people could turn up at polling booths for council elections and be turned away, and council wards could be abolished if the number of electors in them falls too far below an average figure.

Nationally 27% of the electorate are at risk of being disenfranchised.
 
Yesterday's YouGov poll for the Sun....
Topline figures today are:-

CON 31%, LAB 40%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 12%.

While it’s within the normal margin of error of YouGov’s recent polling, the nine point lead is the largest YouGov have show since the start of October. My hunch is that this particular poll is probably a bit of an outlier, but that the issue of energy prices coming back into the news agenda following the energy price rises has boosted Labour’s lead a bit. Full tabs are here.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8320
 
And here's something firming up the suggestion of lib-dem-->lab swings in marginals being much higher than nationally, thus making labour's job that much easier - in fact, opening the possibility of a labour majority with less total vote than the tories.

For one pattern picked up by last month’s massive 12,800 sample phone poll of 40 CON held marginals by Lord Ashcroft was that 2010 LDs appeared to be more likely to switch to LAB in the battlegrounds than in a national comparison poll carried out at the same time.

Overall Ashcroft found a 6% CON>LAB swing compared with an 8.5% one in the marginals a differential partly driven by the LD switchers. This was not a fluke finding from one poll. In an earlier Ashcroft marginals poll in August 2011 LAB was doing better in the marginals than elsewhere.
 
Sorry to link to a lib-dem site, but full stuff not up yet.

1. Importance of Eastleigh noted: showed how Lib Dems can defend marginal seats. This, he says, steadied the nerves of some, though many remain pessimistic about the party’s fortunes in 2015.

2. The South West of England will be a key Lib Dem / Tory battleground – both sides hope to take seats from the other and Ukip is a wildcard.

3. Highlights party’s ‘Dragon’s Den’ process for allocating resources to seats so that activists who are “eager and energetic” are rewarded, not just doling out cash simply on basis of which seats are most winnable on paper. This is based on the experience of Redcar and Ashfield, a surprise gain and a near-miss in 2010, thanks to local parties working their socks off.

4. Incumbency will help the Lib Dems, say party strategists. “Their political opponents largely accept this.”

5. Willingness of party activists to campaign ‘away from home’ in winnable seats and that the new party IT system, Connect, is helping with this.

6. Though the party may have difficulty holding seats where the current MP is retiring, this may be offset by gains from the Tories where they are standing down.

7. As a result, he concludes that current Lib Dem share of vote (c.10%) very unlikely to mean massive reduction in in number of Lib Dem MPs.

8. He predicts a lib Dem vote share in 2015 of 16%.

9. Labour would edge the Tories by 36% to 34%, with relatively few seats changing hands. This would likely mean a second hung parliament, with Labour the largest single party. He reckons Ukip will end up on 8% (which is bad news for Dan Hodges).

10. His conclusion: “The next election will resemble the last election more closely than most people believe” – Heath’s Law (Anthony not Edward).
 
[Yesterday's] Populus and YouGov polls from yesterday had a four point lead from YouGov :–

CON 35%, LAB 39%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 10%
(tabs)

and a seven point lead from Populus :–

CON 33%, LAB 40%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 9% (tabs).
Usual source.
 
Some more polls:

Observer/Opinium CON 35% LAB 39% LDEM 7% UKIP 16%

Yougov/Sunday Times CON 32% LAB 41% LDEM 8% UKIP 12%

And this, from Class trade union think tank, some polling which confirms that public ownership of utilities is still overwhelmingly supported by the British public. Will have a more detailed look at the details tomorrow.

Liberal Democrats are absolutely fucked. Labour vote still holding up fine, and most of the variation in the poll lead is down to varying levels or Tory/UKIP support.
 
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Oxford political scientist, Dr. Stephen Fisher, produced what appeared to be a startling new forecast for GE2015 that gave the Conservatives a 57% chance of winning an overall majority.


Last night the ex-Cambridge mathematician, Martin Baxter of Electoral Calculus fame, issued his latest monthly forecast based on a polling average applied to his well known and widely used Commons seat model. This pointed to Labour having an 81% of securing an overall majority.

Little bit more here.
 
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